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? about carb spacers
« on: July 20, 2010 - 01:26:53 PM »
I have a stock 4 hole intake manifold on my engine.  I would like to use a 1/2" carb spacer to decrease heat soak.  I plan on using the intake gasket with the crossovers blocked.  My question is : would you recommend using the 4 hole spacer, or the open spacer, or does it matter?  Also, what type of material(phenolic,poly) would be better?

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010 - 02:00:55 PM »
I have a 1" spacer installed on mine. It is the 4 hole type. I was told you do not want to use an open spacer into a 4 hole intake, as it creates a shelf below the carb that fuel can puddle up on and then drip into the engine. Not sure if this really matters on a stock engine or not, but it made sense to me. Mine is the black phenolic type. Stay away from aluminum if heat is the issue.

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010 - 02:30:19 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I was  already leaning towards the phenolic/4 hole spacer, but just wanted to be sure.

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010 - 03:04:04 PM »
I agree with Dave here. I think using an open spacer would just mess up the flow of the air/fuel mixture.

I have an open phenolic spacer on mine, but my intake is open too. A spacer does wonders to prevent vapor lock.   :2thumbs:

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010 - 07:57:13 PM »
Cork er wood spacers do wonders for heat soak,Vapor lock.1/2". Got one of each on the cuda/charger. Can't really tell a diff. between them. Aluminum manifolds,heads...ect. add to the heat. 4 hole to match that intake. 
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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010 - 08:07:44 AM »
If you have the room use the 1", make sure that all the holes line up with the manifold and carby throttle plate.
Have you thought of using an "Air Gap" manifold with a spacer if you have the room, a lot of good feed back and there is no exhaust cross over.   :2thumbs:
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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2010 - 09:14:33 AM »
Take this how you like, but there is a good reason for a spacer, beyond the heat-soak issue. Adding a spacer will add perceived plenum volume to the intake manifold. By "perceived," I mean that the carb and the engine will both "see" more intake plenum volume, and the engine will gain top-end power and additional rpm by its inclusion. The use of a 4-hole spacer will also trick the carb into thinking that the plenum is smaller, at idle and part-throttle cruise. This is due to the increased vacuum signal present at the carb venturi, because of the additional length under the carb, before you get to the actual plenum. A 1/2" spacer is ideal; if the engine wants more spacer, you should have used a bigger intake manifold. Using a phenolic resin or wood spacer is the best for blocking heat transfer from the intake to the carb. Many tests have been conducted on the use of spacers to increase performance, and the usual conclusion is that the open spacers increase plenum volume, resulting in better top-end performance; 4-hole spacers increase torque production by increaing vacuum signal and thus improving throttle response and carb response. My own experimentation has proven that the 4-hole spacer does also increase perceived plenum volume, thus improving top-end without the softer low-end performance of the open style. If you are using a big intake manifold, and your throttle response and low-rpm performance are suffering, try a 4-hole spacer under the carb to get the snap back. Again, if you seem to do better with a taller spacer, it is likely that you didn't have enough plenum to begin with. There are some cool "hybrid" spacers out there, which start with 4 holes, then open up as they come to the top of the intake. I have not tried one of these, but the theory behind them is sound, and I bet that they are better still than the 4-hole spacer by itself.

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2010 - 09:40:46 AM »
Supercuda I basically agree with what you have written for more lesser performance motors unlike the example below.
I read quite a few years back that a guy had a motor on an engine dyno and kept adding spacers in 1/2" increaments, he was still producing more power when he had over a foot of spacers, carby was getting very cold and he had to duct warm air onto the carby without letting it get into the intake air stream. He then started experimenting using open spacers at the bottom giving more plenum, replacing the 4 hole ones one at a time, don't know what happened to the book, I don't throw those books out. It was a motor for a drag rail so did have some extensive things done to the motor, no super charger either.    :working:
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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010 - 09:52:21 AM »
I'veen away working, so it's been a while since I've been on. The drag engine experiment was an interesting one, and shows that he needed a bigger intake manifold first, and then he would improve throttle response wth the addition of a spacer of about 1/2" to 1" thickness. When you stack spacers like he did, you are "creating" more intake plenum, no matter what you may think you are doing. Benefits from separating the carb from engine heat will also start to show, and the test results will be skewed by this as well. Proper intake manifold selection will win out every time, and the further the carb is from the valves, the longer it will take for any response to changes in engine state. Reversion impulses will no longer affect carb response, but the engine will not have the snappy throttle response we want. Lastly, a dyno cell is not a car.

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2010 - 06:32:05 PM »
Ok, I have a 340 6pak with some heat issues, and I am sold on the concept of the spacers. But wooden ones?

Anyway, what kind do I want? Anything but metal? So I am thinking phetnolic resin, I think that is the same stuff the the Carter Thermoquads used.

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Re: ? about carb spacers
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2010 - 08:19:31 AM »
Wood is the best insulator, but a little harder than phenolic resin to work with (wood won't pour into a mold). Either is good for heat insulation, and whichever you wind up with will work. Remember that spacers will raise the carbs (and air cleaners!), so hood clearance needs to be checked.