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Offline jforest1

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Slapstick 1 vs D
« on: December 16, 2010 - 10:20:16 PM »
Perhaps the wrong forum for this post, but I'll give it a shot.

I've got a 73 Cuda 340 with a 3-speed 727 Slapstick.

One thing I've noticed when accelerating (quickly) from 0mph/low RPM is that I appear to have better traction when in 1 than in D.  It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me...but I did a 270 off the line today in D and never come close to losing traction that badly using the slapstick from 1.

The only explanation I can come up with is that the transmission isn't downshifting to 1 when I'm stopped; perhaps as I idle it's still in 2 or 3 and it downshifts to 1 as I begin to go, giving the engine time to rise in RPM before engaging the gear.

Am I crazy?  Is there an explanation for this?

JF
« Last Edit: December 16, 2010 - 10:22:54 PM by jforest1 »
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Re: Slapstick 1 vs D
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010 - 01:41:55 AM »
The low/reverse band is applied in manual 1 (1) to supplement the one way roller clutch. In D, first gear uses the one way roller clutch only. If there is a problem with the one way roller clutch it could give you the symptoms described. Also the line pressure is bumped up in manual 1 and reverse, so if there was an issue with the rear (direct) clutch, the bump in line pressure might be covering that up. Couple of checks you can do, 1) check the fluid level 2) make sure the the kickdown linkage is adjusted correctly 3) make sure the shift linkage is adjusted correctly.
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Re: Slapstick 1 vs D
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010 - 07:55:57 AM »
ntstlgl1970,

Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately, it was a bit lost on me, as I'm pretty green to auto mechanics. 

1.)  can do this
2.)  if the kickdown is functioning properly at the specified mph, does that imply the kickdown linkage is adjusted correctly?
3.)  if shifting is functioning properly at the specified mph, does this imply that the shift linkage is adjusted correctly?

JF
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Re: Slapstick 1 vs D
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010 - 07:18:32 PM »
More than likely your trans external linkage is adjusted properly from what you mentioned.

It's tough to diagnose problems over the internet, can you share some more insight as to what you mean by better traction? Does the car spin the tires when you take off from a stop in D but not in 1 or vice versa?

Are there any other symptoms when the transmission is cold?

I added some extra info  -
Make sure to check the trans fluid level in neutral, engine running with the car parked on a level area. Ideally you would want the fluid level to be near the top of the crosshatch area once you have driven the car for maybe ten minutes prior. Over is not good, likewise, lower than the crosshatch area is not good.
With the engine off, make sure that the kickdown is adjusted so that wide open throttle on the carburetor also equals the kickdown linkage is pushing the little lever on the transmission as far back as it can go. Assuming you have the stock kickdown linkage, disconnect the kickdown link rod from the carb, open the carb up all the way and adjust the kickdown linkage so that it will just slip back onto the carb lever stud.
Make sure that the shift linkage is gets all the way to the (1) range. You can (with the engine off) put the trans in the 1 range, then under the car, disconnect the linkage, push the shift lever on the trans as far forward as it will go and see if the linkage drops back into the shift lever. There is also a plastic bushing on the shifter where the linkage connects that could be a problem if it is worn oversize or if the linkage is worn between the shifter, bellcrank and the transmission.

Sorry if some of this stuff sounds oversimplified, with these cars being so old, it's hard to know what the history of the car is, if all the parts are there, if they are stock and so on. If all these things appear to be ok. There could be a band adjustment or low/reverse servo piston issue. Let us know what you find.
70 Cuda, 7.0L Gen-III Hemi, Viper T56 w/9310 gearset, 3.91's, Megasquirt MS3x v3.57, Innovate wideband, Firm Feel upper arms, torsion bars, springs and strut rods, QA1 DA shocks. I did everything on this car except the fancy paint stuff and I drive it...and I can't seem to stop messing with it....