Milodon gear drive installation for dummies

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Offline brads70

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Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« on: February 27, 2012 - 05:05:23 PM »
Ok I'm totally new at these and need some help on how to install this? Milodon 130000 gear drive. I bought it with no instructions.
I did a few google searches and now have a few questions...
Read something about using paper to set gear backlash?  :dunno:
Read you have to dowel them in the correct position on the block?  :dunno:
Somethings about they are really noisy if not set up right?
Anyhow figured there was enough knowledge in here that there should be a "how to" post on this subject?
I only want to do this once!  :grinyes:
Thanks in advance!
Brad
 
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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012 - 05:40:12 PM »
Brad, not trying to be a smart a$$, but what about calling/emailing Milodon and asking? I'd say" there were no instructions and could you help me to install your fine product?" If anybody knows how to install that thing, they will.  :2cents:

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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012 - 05:45:03 PM »
Brad, not trying to be a smart a$$, but what about calling/emailing Milodon and asking? I'd say" there were no instructions and could you help me to install your fine product?" If anybody knows how to install that thing, they will.  :2cents:
I just found them online....


MILODON
2250 Agate Court
Simi Valley, Ca 93065
(805) 577-5950
GEAR DRIVE INSTALLATION
#12000-12250, 12600-12900, 13000-13250
Small Block Chevy, Big Block Chevy and Big Block Chrysler - Wedge & Hemi
Milodon makes three basic models of gear drives:
1. SUPER STOCK - to fit under the stock water pump.
2. UNBLOWN COMPETITION- includes fuel pump drive and adapter plate.
3. SUPERCHARGED ENGINE - includes fuel pump extension and drive.
INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS
(Chrysler engines must have a 3 bolt cam and not the stock single bolt.)
Remove the stock timing cover, chain and gear. These will not be used. Clean the face of the engine and remove the stock dowel pins(2) from the block. Be sure to remove any nicks or burrs on the front of the block. Place the three piece thrust bearing assembly on the camshaft (washer-bearing washer). Place the hub on the cam. Secure with three (3) allen bolts that are furnished. Install the large cam gear on the cam hub at this time using two or seven bolts. Any bolt location is o.k. Install the crankshaft gear.
Install the complete front cover assembly over hex on the cam hub. (On superstock models), just position the main cover in place and install the cover bolts, but do not tighten. Start all the cover bolts. USE NEWSPAPER TO ESTABLISH THE PROPER CLEARENCE BETWEEN ALL THREE GEARS. A single long strip of newspaper will work best. Be sure it is placed between idler gear and crank gear as well as the idler to the cam gear. Apply pressure to the idler side of the timing cover to hold the clearence tight. With the newspaper between the gears, tighten all the cover bolts. The center removable cover plate can be removed at this point. Rotate the gear drive to remove the newspaer, then check for smooth rotation.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DONE THE ABOVE INSTRUCTION CORRECTLY BEFORE YOU CONTINUE!
At this point, drill and ream the block through the front covers drill bushings. The hardened drill bushings stay in the cover permanently. Remove the cover assembly from the block. Then install the 5/16 dowel pins into the block, with the larger end in the block. With this assembly completed, your gear drive can be reemoved and reinstalled without additional adjustment. The lash will always be the same. Cam timing may now be set.
NOTE: Unblown and Supercharged gear drives include a silver laminated shim washer that may be peeled apart in .003 increments to set cam thrust clearance. This shim goes on the cam hub between the secondary cover and the cam hub bearing register. The end play must be .000 to .005.
Note: 12600, 12700, 12900 due to the many different Harmonic Balancers available on the market at this time, Milodon has had to modify the lower crankshaft gear on all the big block
chevrolet gear drives. The modifications allows the balancer to move outwards away from the cover. However, in some cases such as when a stock type balancer is being used, the balancer may need to be machined approvimately, 150-.160 (as shown in figure #1) to attain the desired pulley alignment.
TIMING THE ENGINE
Once gear drive has been properly installed as far as lash adjustment, we can now proceed to the timing. There are no dots or line up marks on our gears because these are usually inaccurate. We start by finding the exact "straight up pattern" (no advance or retard). Once this position has been found, advancing or retarding cam timing can be done quickly and accurately without messing around with offset bushings and keyways. All Milodon gear drives use our venieer cam bolt pattern to set and adjust cam timing.
With the engine disassembled, install cam hub, less the cam gear, on the cam and crank gear on crank snout. Install degree wheel on crank and set indicator on T.D.C. for #1 cylinder. Using cam manufacturer's specs, find the #1 intake opening and move crank to that position. Place dial indicator on #1 intake and open to what the cam manufacturer used for a checking clearance. For example, if the cam specs were intake opens at 39 degrees BTDC at .050" cam lift, you would set the crank degree wheel at 39 degrees and the dial indicator on #1 intake at .050" lift.
The cam and crank are now in the "straight up" position set EXACTLY with 0 degrees advance or retard. The cam gear is now installed onto the cam hub, with no bolts as yet. It will engage idler gear teeth and allow the cam gear bolts to exactly align with hub bolt holes in only one position. (There are 7 bolt holes and, therefore 7 possible positions). Once the correct cam gear to hub position has been found, install all seven cam gear bolts. These should be torqued to 22 ft/lbs.
Scribe an indicator mark on the cam hub adjacent to any cam gear bolt hole. Mark that bolt hole with #1. Going clockwise mark the other bolt holes #2 - #7. Now using the chart supplied, you can advance or retard the cam to any position, from any position. There will be two tooth locations possible for each bolt hole position. The one for which the cam must be rotated clockwise to align holes will advance the cam. The one for which the cam must be rotated counterclockwise will retard the cam.
The Milodon “Gear Drive Install and Cam Degree” video gives clear and easy to under stand direction, if needed. Contact your parts supplier for part # 14900.
Position # Advance Retard
1 0 0
2 6.5 7.5
3 12 2
4 4 10
5 10 4
6 2 12
7 7.5 6.5
Brad
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Offline brads70

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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012 - 05:46:02 PM »
If anyone has any words of wisdom....post it up!  :2thumbs: All knowledge is useful!
Brad
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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012 - 05:59:04 PM »
I can walk you through if you need.  The paper in between the gears is only while you drill out the cover for the line up pins. Line up pins is on summitt or milodon site. This is so you can pull the cover on and off over and over and it all stays aligned the same. Not really needed if you dont pull the cover off once installed, but you still worm the paper strip in between the gear mesh to set the lash. You do know how to center line a cam right? Im sure you do.  Anyways, find tdc on the crank and set the pointer, then if your cam opens at 68 at .050. turn the crank to 68 then put a dial on the cam. zero it, move it up to .050 and it would be your intake c/l. Install your top gear. then check it all again


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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012 - 06:27:57 PM »
Thanks for chiming in Alan! You must be thinking "FINALLY HE USED IT"  :lol:   ( Alan set me up with this part)
Those line up pins look to be just ordinary 5/16 dowel pins? ( I just measured the bushings) I don't need to order anything special from Milodon do I?( I got a new crank gear.)
So the paper thing.... that's just between the cam gear and idler gear and idler to crank gear. Do that first sort of a thing, dowel it then set up the cam right?
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012 - 06:34:03 AM »
that is correct Brad.   :2thumbs:   Did I leave the bushings in the one I sent you?  The paper strip is easy to.  I bought 2 more drives and installed them in my 512 and 520.

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Re: Milodon gear drive installation for dummies
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012 - 07:25:33 AM »
that is correct Brad.   :2thumbs:   Did I leave the bushings in the one I sent you?  The paper strip is easy to.  I bought 2 more drives and installed them in my 512 and 520.
Yep the bushings are there! :2thumbs:
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

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