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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2011 - 07:35:53 PM »
Slotts, cool thanks    :2thumbs:

spamtank, let me know how the LED works out. If it does you should post a how-to thread. My lights take about 10 seconds to become hot to the touch    :eek7:
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2011 - 10:47:19 PM »
After owning severla Gran Coupes & once installing a overhead console headliner in a winter beater 1972 Cuda back in 1985, I know these consoles are one of the coolest things Mopar had in E-bodies. Whatever anyone thinks, I plan on putting one in my 73. Be sure that all of your wires are intact & nothing is loose or shoddy repaired. make sure your gray ground wire is attached to your header under the headliner by your mirror. The Door Ajar & Seat Belt light work on your time delay relay for about 20 seconds & turn off after the door is closed. Your door ajar switch is located on the rear door post below the striker. These are not repoped & are an absolute ***** to find. I once used one from a 1985 slider door from a caravan which worked for a while but it busted off & I used another one at one time. The seat belt light just works along with the door ajar light for the same time frame. As for the Low Fuel relay, its a squar thing like attached behind to the right of your glove box liner with 4 wires to it. Make its its grounded as well. If you ever need to find anothe ron eof these, try looking in some C bodies, like a Polara from 71-74. Go under the dash right in the middle, underside lip & look for a brighter silver like screw, removed that screw & them run your hand up under that part of the dash & locate the loose part. Its the low fuel relay & its the same hook-up as an E-body, most likely you will save yourself lots of $ if you find one of these at a junkyard near you. Pull it downwards & remove the harness to it. Now you have a spare. Your low fuel light turns on after your cars' gauge falls below 1/4 tank, sometimes at 1/4, sometimes at 1/8 tank, the light will start to glow lightly & flash, then after a few minutes, the light will glow fully telling you to make a pit stop & fill your E-body up! If your gas gauge in the dash is faulty, your light will stay on. if your gas gauge in the tank doe NOT have the small ground strap on the fuel sending unit to the fuel line (like its missing or rusted away, I've seen both) this light will stay on & your gauge will not read at all! Been here & done that!. Make sure your tank unit works as well. Once I put a wire on the sender unit & just used a small hose clamp on the tube, tightened it slightly & ran the other end up to a ground & put on a screw to test it. Its worked fine, even though its a shade-tree test. But it worked for me. Now, I would install either new bulbs & clean out those light sockets as well, they are what, 40 years old now, so clean them up. I used in my overhead console light bulbs number 53, used in the dash lights of 70-71 Barracuda standard dash light bars, they are smaller but they worked for me & did not getas hot as the 1892 number bulbs. Another thing to concider is that these lenses were not made to last forever. Get a replacement on moparts.com for that guy who offers them for $18 shipped. Why have a melted lens? Thats all I can think of for now, after all I did alot of these when I was 19-20, so taking these apart for trial & error was simple, but I did what I could to make them work. One more piece of advise, if you need a dome light for your car, try looking in 1970-1974 C-bodies, this SAME dome light with the flip-type switch is in these cars & sometimes not. I found a perfect one in a 71 Monaco back in 1988 & it fit 125% perfect into my car at the time. Just be damn careful when you remove it, I just use a forefinger behind the domelight in the center, push through the headliner some to find a small notch on the underside of the dome light & pull it downward. This worked everytime I found one in one of these cars. Don't use a screwdriver, you can always slip & you'll be pi$$ed if you bust it apart.

Did this help you any? I could go on all night about my journeys with overhead consoles, but hey, thats what this is about, helping you get yours right!

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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2011 - 11:07:51 PM »
..... As for the Low Fuel relay, its a square thing like attached behind to the right of your glove box liner with 4 wires to it. Make its its grounded as well. If you ever need to find another one of these, try looking in some C bodies, like a Polara from 71-74. Go under the dash right in the middle, underside lip & look for a brighter silver like screw, removed that screw & them run your hand up under that part of the dash & locate the loose part. Its the low fuel relay & its the same hook-up as an E-body, most likely you will save yourself lots of $ if you find one of these at a junkyard near you. Pull it downwards & remove the harness to it. Now you have a spare. Your low fuel light turns on after your cars' gauge falls below 1/4 tank, sometimes at 1/4, sometimes at 1/8 tank, the light will start to glow lightly & flash, then after a few minutes, the light will glow fully telling you to make a pit stop & fill your E-body up! If your gas gauge in the dash is faulty, your light will stay on. if your gas gauge in the tank doe NOT have the small ground strap on the fuel sending unit to the fuel line (like its missing or rusted away, I've seen both) this light will stay on & your gauge will not read at all! Been here & done that!. Make sure your tank unit works as well. Once I put a wire on the sender unit & just used a small hose clamp on the tube, tightened it slightly & ran the other end up to a ground & put on a screw to test it. Its worked fine, even though its a shade-tree test. But it worked for me. 

Wow, that's a lot of great info.  :2thumbs:  Interestingly, my low fuel light stays on, but at the same time, my gauge works perfectly.  I wonder if I have a grounding problem somewhere.   :clueless:  This is one of my winter projects. 

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I used in my overhead console light bulbs number 53, used in the dash lights of 70-71 Barracuda standard dash light bars, they are smaller but they worked for me & did not getas hot as the 1892 number bulbs. Another thing to concider is that these lenses were not made to last forever. Get a replacement on moparts.com for that guy who offers them for $18 shipped. Why have a melted lens? 

So far my lenses are okay.  But you are right, I should order a set just to have.

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  One more piece of advise, if you need a dome light for your car, try looking in 1970-1974 C-bodies, this SAME dome light with the flip-type switch is in these cars & sometimes not. I found a perfect one in a 71 Monaco back in 1988 & it fit 125% perfect into my car at the time. Just be damn careful when you remove it, I just use a forefinger behind the domelight in the center, push through the headliner some to find a small notch on the underside of the dome light & pull it downward. This worked everytime I found one in one of these cars. Don't use a screwdriver, you can always slip & you'll be pi$$ed if you bust it apart.

Did this help you any? I could go on all night about my journeys with overhead consoles, but hey, thats what this is about, helping you get yours right!

Right after Irene blows through, I'm heading to my local Mopar Boneyard to look for some of these parts.  :cheers:

I love the overhead console.   :ylsuper:  A lot of folks at the car shows aren't even aware that it's there, since they never look up when they are peering at the interior.  And when I point it out to them, they always find it very intriguing.   :drool:

It seems like you can build an E-body from reproduction parts from the ground up, but boy, overhead console reproduction stuff is non-existent.  :pullinghair:
Rick, Manchester, NH
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2011 - 11:29:22 PM »
Thanks for the info will be helpful.

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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2011 - 01:32:38 AM »
My low fuel light works too well.  It stays on all the time.  I tried replacing the relay, but that didn't improve the situation.  It has been on for 1/2 hour to 45 minute trips.  I've probably got about 15 trips like this with another 15 trips of 15 minutes or so.  That has to add up to about 10 hours of operation.  They must heat up pretty quick.  I have not noticed any discoloration or warping of the lens yet. 

But now you guys have me worried.  I'm going to look into taking the bulb out this weekend. 

I might try to make some of my own LED replacement bulbs up.  I should be able to gut an existing bulb and then replace it with a 12V LED.  Then I'll pot that with RTV or non-conductive epoxy.  I'll let you know how that works.
I would check all of the wiring and their connections.  I would also check the wiring going in and out of the fuel gauge, as well as the relay's connection to the dashboard.
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2011 - 10:52:15 AM »
ebodycrazy4ever, great info thanks that is a big help    :2thumbs:
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2011 - 09:18:15 PM »
Heat is surely a problem. I have seen burned lenses. LEDs are great for the overhead console. They use almost all of the energy for the light. The LEDs I have bought have one problem, though. There is a plastic collar that is too big for the tubes.
Has anyone seen LED bulbs without this collar?


I found this link with LEDs that look promising.

http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=LED-14-BA9S-W&Category_Code=LEDMini&Product_Count=8

About $5 each.  Maybe we can get a group buy and get a better price and shipping.
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2011 - 01:04:58 AM »
I might try to make some of my own LED replacement bulbs up.  I should be able to gut an existing bulb and then replace it with a 12V LED.  Then I'll pot that with RTV or non-conductive epoxy.

I have made my own LEDs.
They need a very small current and ~3 volts. Any higher and they will burn out immediately. To achieve this a 100-200 ohm resistor must be connected between the LED and the power source. An 0.5 Watts resistor should fit in the socket.
The longer leg on the LED is +
Good luck!
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2011 - 02:21:37 AM »
The Door Ajar & Seat Belt light work on your time delay relay for about 20 seconds & turn off after the door is closed.
This is excellent information.  The one thing I do respectfully disagree about is that the door ajar lamp and seat belt lamp are independent.   The door ajar lamp should go out when the door is fully closed, and not stay on through the timer.

The seat belt lamp works through the same timer that runs the ignition key lamp.  They are a part still available at NAPA, but I forget the part number.

I agree that these overhead consoles are pretty cool.  When they are all working, they blow people away, especially if you take them out at night as they get a lot of attention.

I cannot get my dome light to work with the door switches.  That is something I need to sort out as I can't stand it being dark in the car.
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2011 - 09:41:20 AM »
I have made my own LEDs.
They need a very small current and ~3 volts. Any higher and they will burn out immediately. To achieve this a 100-200 ohm resistor must be connected between the LED and the power source. An 0.5 Watts resistor should fit in the socket.
The longer leg on the LED is +
Good luck!


Thanks for the info.  I actually have some 12V LEDs (probably have the current limiting resistors built in).

In the meantime, I did some more research and found Planetbulb.com offering Replacement LEDs for the best price as shipping.  So I went ahead and ordered some from them.  I'll let the group know how that works out.

Here's a link:  http://www.planetbulb.com/products/LED-14-BA9S-W-14VAC-DC-T3-1-4-BA9S-WHITE.html
« Last Edit: August 28, 2011 - 06:17:35 PM by spamtank »
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2011 - 06:14:11 PM »
Those look like they might work   
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2011 - 09:27:36 AM »

In the meantime, I did some more research and found Planetbulb.com offering Replacement LEDs for the best price as shipping.  So I went ahead and ordered some from them.  I'll let the group know how that works out.

Here's a link:  http://www.planetbulb.com/products/LED-14-BA9S-W-14VAC-DC-T3-1-4-BA9S-WHITE.html


I orders 4 of these LEDs from Planetbulb on Saturday.  They accepted paypal which was a bonus.  They arrived on Thursday.

Here are photos of the results.  First is original incandescent bulbs, second is a side by side comparison, and the third is a photo of the overhead console with the LEDs.  I was originally concerned that perhaps these would be too focused and create a noticible brite center spot.  There's some of that noticeable in the photo but it's not too bad.  These fit perfectly, and I think the result is great.

Oh, I measured the temperature of the lens using my non-contact infrared thermometer.  With the incandescent bulb, there was about a 5 to 10 deg C (10 to 20 deg F) rise in temperature, and with the LED, it was maybe 1 deg C.  So there is an improvement.

Hope this information proves useful.

Rick in NH
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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2011 - 09:34:06 AM »
Great info! Thanks!  :thumbsup:

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Re: SE overhead console problem
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2011 - 12:20:08 PM »
That is perfect! Thanks I'll be ordering some     :2thumbs:
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