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Offline LukeSkywalker

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Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« on: September 29, 2011 - 01:20:25 PM »
Car wont start. It used to, but it wont now.. Battery is full. Nothing. Not a sound. Only a slight millimeter movement on the Ammeter when I turn the key... All I can remember has happened was when I fixed the fuel gauge, I turned the key on to activate the fuel gauge, forgot about it and left it like that overnight. When I came back out the next day something smelt burnt in the engine compartment. I never located it. The car would not start once I tried the ignition then either. But after disconnecting the battery and connecting it again, it started. This wont help me now though for whatever reason...

Is leaving the ignition on one way to fry a starter or should that not happen? Could it be something else?




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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011 - 01:29:20 PM »
AGAIN, I can only assume we are working on the car in your avatar??

If so, I'd be replacing the points for sure if still equipped....
Never heard of key on, Starter going bad before. Sounds like you need to try jumping it from the starter relay and see what happens...if cranks over, you know it isn't the starter...
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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011 - 01:55:25 PM »
Yeah, sorry bout that.. It's the car in the avatar.

Thanks. I'll try a wire from battery to the Starter + and see what happens.

Something smelt burnt, and if the starter dont get any power without twisting the key, the power would stop at the relay, so then it must be the relay that smelt burnt..?

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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011 - 02:40:06 PM »
Points aren't going to have anything to do with the engine not cranking over. Jumping the starter relay is a quick way to test the starter itself, as mentioned. The ignition switch could be acting up, but I would start my diagnosis with the starter relay which is located on the driver's side fender. If there is no audible "click" coming from that when you turn the key to the "start" position, I would start my diagnosis there, it's a "mid-point" and lets you know which direction to keep going if it passes the test. It provides the power to the starter with a trigger from the ignition switch.

If you have NO CRANK, which is how I think I read your post;

If you are handy with a multimeter or test light this is an easy diagnosis. Basically there are four terminals on the starter relay. One goes straight to the battery (one with the 5/16 stud). The next smallest one is the one with the flathead screw in it, this will end up at the starter solenoid when the relay is engaged. If there is no click, you aren't worried about that wire yet.



The terminals you should be looking at are the top two spades in this picture. The straight terminal looks to have  "G" on it, which if I remember right is to the neutral safety switch or clutch pedal switch. Put the + lead of a multimeter to the battery + , and the - lead on the mulitmeter to that terminal. It should read 12.xx volts or so. That means you have a good ground via the neutral safety switch, or the clutch switch. The next will require some alligator clips or another pair of hands. Put the - lead terminal on the battery -, put the positive on the slanted spade terminal in the picture. Have someone turn the key to the "start" position, if you read 12.xx volts, it's time to move on, if not your problem lies within the bulkhead connection/ignition switch. Now if you got 12v there, stick the + lead onto the terminal with the small flathead screw in it while the key is still in "start"...likely there will be OFL/no voltage there, if that is the case replace the starter relay. If it shows voltage there, your problem is within the starter/starter solenoid.

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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011 - 06:21:43 PM »
FWIW  The last 3 or 4 Bad Starter threads I've followed turned out to be bad connections, bad cables, bad battery, not a single bad starter...Leaving the key in the run position would have no effect on the starter or relay that I'm aware of.
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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011 - 11:28:57 PM »
FWIW  The last 3 or 4 Bad Starter threads I've followed turned out to be bad connections, bad cables, bad battery, not a single bad starter...Leaving the key in the run position would have no effect on the starter or relay that I'm aware of.

It won't affect the starter relay itself, but it also could just be coincidental that something went south. Wouldn't be the first time. Basic connections are always a good place to start, if not..I still say the relay will tell you which direction to search for the problem (if it isnt the problem itself)
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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011 - 01:05:18 PM »
Thanks for the write up and the help guys !  :worshippy Starter is ok. Figure relay has got to be fried. I messured 12V between (G) and (BATT +), and then I messured 0V between "slanted spade" and (BATT -) and still 0V when I turned the key.

The relay must have been very hot because I opened it and the rubber gasket was melted and there was some oil-ish liquid inside it.
Didn't see any other damage other than the melted gasket though. But no doubt this is the source of the smell cause it still stinks.
Ordered a new one.

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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011 - 05:28:46 PM »
Could it be something else?

If your car has electronic ignition, the ballast resistor will cook if you leave the ign sw in run for an extended period of time.
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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011 - 07:07:36 PM »
If your car has electronic ignition, the ballast resistor will cook if you leave the ign sw in run for an extended period of time.

I was thinking that too. You also might want to recharge the battery.     :2cents:

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Re: Help ! Have I killed the starter?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011 - 07:43:11 PM »
I picked up some spare ballast resistors from a seller over on moparts.  They seem very good and I thought the price was very reasonable.  For $4 you really can't go wrong:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=E&Number=6805399&Searchpage=1&Main=6804806&Words=dinty68RR&topic=&Search=true#Post6805399