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Offline Cuda Cody

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Re: no VIN
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2012 - 10:19:27 AM »
I would say at least twice that for a 6 pack or hemi car.

Vin tag issue aside.... you do realize the cost to bring this back right? 20-30K+++   easy  :-\
That's just to get it "running" ( maybe?) not brought back to original....I understand your passion to own one but reality sucks at times? Not trying to ruin your day or anything just wanting you to know or have a idea upfront what your in for. :wave:
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Re: no VIN
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2012 - 11:35:53 AM »
You gotta start by being honest with yourself.  Are you only interested in this car because it's an AAR?  Because without a VIN or with a state issued VIN it's not an AAR.  It's a Barracuda with some interesting options.  Kinda like a Cobra kit car Vs. a real Cobra.  What makes the AAR so valuable and collectible unfortunately is documentation.  The more documents you have proving what it is, the more it's worth.  With no VIN you can point at body stampings and pitman arms all you want, but that doesn't prove anything to anyone who is willing to pay for an AAR.  So as it sits, its a 1970 Barracuda with no engine, transmission or VIN.  You will have to jump through firey hoops to prove you own it, pray it isn't stolen and fill out a ton of paperwork and be rewarded with a random state number saying you own it.  Then you can restore it to look like an AAR but without documentation, it will appear to be just a clone.

This is all assuming the missing VIN hasn't been reused on a "rebodied" car.  Now picture this scenario.  The guy with the tags buys a mint 318 Barracuda and gives it the full AAR treatment and puts the tags on it.  He now has illegally modified a car via VIN tampering, but who would know except the owner of the original body?  And what happens if you go to the DMV with a VIN determined from the body stampings and their search shows that same VIN in use in another state?

As I see it you have two options:  Buy it as a 70 Barracuda, pay a reasonable price  based on THAT value and begin restoring it.  Keep tracking down the original VIN tags in hopes they can be reunited.  Or 2, pass for now and hold out for what you really want that won't require all that paperwork.  Either way, the restoration costs will be the same:astronomical!
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Greg, in the middle of MA has:
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1972 Dodge Challenger convertible 440 5 speed.
1973 Dodge Challenger 318 "Brown Bomber"
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Re: no VIN
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2012 - 12:03:55 PM »
 :iagree:  JHC's post is the long version of my last post, and goes far toward explaining my points.


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Re: no VIN
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2012 - 12:53:23 PM »
with all points aside which are very helpful by the way, thank you. If i do in fact get this cuda and restore it as a aar  cuda with no vin or fender tags and build sheet could i get any money out of it as much as i put in?

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Re: no VIN
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2012 - 12:57:54 PM »
Don't want to disappoint you, but it's best you know before you buy: not even close. Like JHC said, it'll be considered a Barracuda cloned into a AAR, and it'll be worth what a Barracuda is worth, adjusted for whatever pricey parts you might have added.


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Re: no VIN
« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2012 - 01:20:56 PM »
Right now if you are looking at major costs (panel replacement, paint, etc) you will always end up on the losing the money you put in.

I think even if it was a real AAR cuda, with a VIN, fender tags, and build sheet you'd have a tough time making money on it due to it's lack of original engine/trans and the amount of cash you'd have to put in it to bring it back.  Even at that low starting price. 

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Re: no VIN
« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2012 - 01:32:07 PM »
@ ChallengerHK: Great minds think alike.  Some like me just have diarrhea of the mouth (or fingers!)

@ aar70cuda: I've seen a 69 Charger Daytona that was mangled almost beyond recognition that was valued at $100k  I've seen an ordinary 318 Charger in great shape valued at $5k.  Same car, but different options and DOCUMENTATION.  The numbers are what's worth the money.  If you're looking for a car as an investment or money making opportunity this car is worthless to you. Even if you got it for free, you'd have to sink thousands into obtaining a correct engine, trans, interior plus body work and paint.  In an absolute best case scenario where you did all the work yourself and got amazing deals on parts you just might break even.  If however you got the correct AAR documentation for it, the value magically skyrockets and that car suddenly becomes much more valuable and worth restoring. 

Unless you have a thing for originality and want an investment grade car, I'd settle for a base model car and build it as you want.  Far more economical and you don't have to pull you hair out looking for date coded spark plug wires!
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Greg, in the middle of MA has:
1970 Dodge Coronet 440 "Zom Bee"
1972 Dodge Challenger convertible 440 5 speed.
1973 Dodge Challenger 318 "Brown Bomber"
2012 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic Blackberry Pearl.
2001 Jeep Wrangler locked, lifted and lighted.  "Jeep is a registered trademark of Chrysler Corporation"

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Re: no VIN
« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2012 - 01:48:31 PM »
The numbers are what's worth the money. 

One of the smartest things I've ever heard: if you want to make a million dollars on musclecars, start with two million dollars.

A long time ago a guy I was buying some parts from told me that he had no trouble making money on cars, because he didn't care about them. It took me a long time to understand the truth of that statement. If your goal is to make money, you have to avoid any personal, emotional connection to the car.

I sense two competing elements in your statements, AAR70. You want a AAR, which I suspect is mostly or totally an emotional want. But, you're concerned about the money, which sounds like a practical want; you'd like to make sure that you don't lose everything in a car that you'd never get back from it. At the very least, I think you have to start by prioritizing these wants, and that will lead you toward a path that's right for you. If you want a AAR above all else, forego this car. If may or may not be a AAR, but you'd never be able to prove that it was. If you want a cool car that looks like a AAR that you can drive around and have fun with, then this car may or may not be suitable, depending on its condition.


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Re: no VIN
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2012 - 01:51:55 PM »
Would it be possible to get the sequence numbers off the cowl and rad. Do a vin search and if it's registered have the law look into the other car being a rebody ?
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Re: no VIN
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2012 - 01:58:34 PM »
Would it be possible to get the sequence numbers off the cowl and rad. Do a vin search and if it's registered have the law look into the other car being a rebody ?
That would only work if the stamped numbers were obviously put there to cover a fraud.
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Re: no VIN
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2012 - 11:11:09 AM »
Can i get any money out of it as much as i put in?

NO. I would NEVER look at ANY car as an investment piece, the only ones that are the exception to that rule are taking trophies on the Green at Pebble Beach.

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Re: no VIN
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2012 - 07:03:31 AM »
I can't believe there are 4 pages here after seeing the picture in post #1. Walk away.
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Re: no VIN
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2012 - 10:42:27 AM »
Regardless if its an AAR or not

If it is really missing the VIN tag, you will go thru more state hoops than you ever dreamed of getting  another vin issued, and finally, getting it registered with your states DMV

Before you buy it, go to your states DMV office and ask, in person, what it will take to register a car that currently has a missing VIN tag

When you hear their response, you will most likely change your mind about buying it