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Offline NCtrueconservative

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Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« on: July 11, 2012 - 07:06:15 PM »
my mom is in the market for a new minivan.  She used to have a 99 Dodge and loved it, even though the transmission was garbage and it went thru three of them.  She likes the looks of a Honda, but they are more expensive I think.  She did say the Dodge was growing on her.  Some woman she works with just got a Toyota van and loves it, even though she swears it doesn't have a spare tire?  :clueless: Idk much about the minivan market.  I see alot of Honda's on the road, but I did see more and more Dodge's when I went to the beach.  Warranty plays a factor too.  So anyone know the reputations of the minivans out today? Hope Dodge fixed its tranny problems.  What to look for in different brands, who has the best warranty, any info would be helpful!
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012 - 08:54:07 PM »
Yes, Dodge got the tranny problem fixed.  I'm not sure what year that was though.  A lot of cars are coming without spare tires.  With the ever increasing fuel miliage standards, every pound counts.  I think cars that don't have spare do come with some type of "fix-a-flat" product.

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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012 - 09:49:17 PM »
Yes, Dodge got the tranny problem fixed.  I'm not sure what year that was though.  A lot of cars are coming without spare tires.  With the ever increasing fuel miliage standards, every pound counts.  I think cars that don't have spare do come with some type of "fix-a-flat" product.

Yeah the coworker said that the toyota came with those tires that don't go flat but it would still be nice to have a spare. The hondas seem really popular. Idk about reliability or issues with any of the new vans these days.
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012 - 10:04:47 PM »
I think there are more Caravans out there than Honda and Toyota combined. Therefore parts will be easier to come by
and cheaper too, just MHO.

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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012 - 10:21:45 PM »
go honda or toyota on this one,unless you love going to chrysler dealership for repairs.I,ll never forget the screw job on my 2008 lease. 3 transmissions,no oil in engine(3 times) there were alot more problems but I riped up the the paper work at the office.I should have gone after chrsyler on the lemon law. :smokin: :puke:
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012 - 10:32:21 PM »
go honda or toyota on this one,unless you love going to chrysler dealership for repairs.I,ll never forget the screw job on my 2008 lease. 3 transmissions,no oil in engine(3 times) there were alot more problems but I riped up the the paper work at the office.I should have gone after chrsyler on the lemon law. :smokin: :puke:
I have 130k on my Dodge and the only problem I've had is ball joints and a power steering pump
and Chrysler took care of it all for me. By the way, where did the oil go?
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012 - 10:33:52 PM »
Honda has serious issues with the trans , they will tell you they fixed it but they didn't , look on the internet they eat trannys up to the current year .... stay away .
 The Toy I looked at was only a few years old & none of the electric doors etc worked .
 My preference is the Mopar , they do have the tranny issue fixed .
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012 - 10:34:00 PM »
Sorry, I guess my point was, not all Chrysler products (or any other manufacturer) are all bad.
Are all of these choices made in America?
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012 - 10:53:16 PM »
Where did the oil go??good question.Since my wife took it back the last time the service tech.told my wife it could of went thru the pvc valve.That was the last time I cared about dealing with the van.Also the air conditioner,brakes all gone .We had 30,000miles on it. :walkaway:I had to pay the 1,500.00 balance off to end the lease early.MY 1999 honda odyssey lasted 8yrs with no issues. :smokin:
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012 - 11:11:21 PM »
Go with the Caravan or the Chrysler.  There are three between my Wife, and two Sons.  All have been excellent and no transmission problems, in fact practically no problems at all.  One a 2000 Caravan, one an 04 Caravan and my Wife's 05 T&C.  When I drive my Wife's T&C on the highway I can get 26 MPG.  It has stow & go seats and she really loves it. 
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012 - 11:53:51 PM »
Keep the infor coming guys! If she gets the dodge or the chrysler it will probably be brand new, if honda it will prob have to be lightly used.  She's saved up so no debt to worry about!
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012 - 12:26:54 AM »
Ok, since you asked, here's my speel on the vans... sorry if I make you go to  :sleeping:

Yes, there were tranny problems with Honda Vans and passenger cars.  Auto trannies were and still may be the Achilles Tendon of the Honda family of cars.  I used to work at Acura of Boston in the service department and the 1986-1990 Legends were notorious for trannies going bad.  The rod that held the spider gears in the differential actually shot out (yes, out) of the tranmission in some cases.  I've seen a 1" hole in a transmission case of one of these cars.  The rest of the car was great, but the trannies had issues.

More recently the 4 speed auto trannies found in the Honda Odyssey (and other Honda products) in the 2000-2004 models had issues and Honda actually extended thier 3 year/36 month warranty to 77 month/109,000 mile on the trannie back then.  I actually had a tranny replaced in my 2000 van I think like 4 years ago because the shifting was getting sloppy and it's still works great today.  I still love to drive my 2000, even though we now have a 2012 Honda Odyssey. 

My brother has a 2005 Honda Odyssey and moves a ton of DJ equipment almost every weekend and I have not heard of him having any issues thus far with the tranny.

Hondas will tend to be the most expensive of the 3.  I didn't consider the Caravan but looked at Toyota and Honda vans and decided on the 2012 Honda Odyssey.

Toyotas have the bells and whistles for a cheaper price.  The Honda will not come with the same things that on a Toyota may be standard, like driving lights, roof rack, etc.... small things like that.  The Toyota had many different levels, Sport, LE and also has the option of 4 or 6 cylinder (Go with the 6, more power and the basically the same mileage) and also the choice of AWD which Honda does not have in the vans.  Toyotas have seating for 7 or 8.  7 if you get the captain chairs in the middle row that recline and have a leg support like a lazy boy.  Honda has seating for 8 in different configurations like the 8 seater Toyota.

Driving impressions:  The Honda drives more like a car than a van.  The Toyota, while having the sensation of a faster engine, is not as good around corners and feels more top heavy.  The Toyota steering felt more twitchy at highway speeds.  The Honda felt very smooth, quieter and more secure on the road, IMO.  I felt like I could drive very fast very comfotably in the Honda, not the Toyota.  Honda (I don't know about Toyota) has not only ABS and Traction Control, but also Vehice Stability Assist.  Like I mentioned, the Honda felt like a car, the Toyota, a van.

The interior, albeit more buttons to play with, did not feel intuitive looking to adjust the radio or vent controls.  Definately had to study on what to do.  The interior on the Toyota felt cheaper too.  Many people feel in the interiors of Toyotas don't compare as well to Hondas, material wise and also design wise.  The Honda interio felt more intuitive, less little buttons to fool with and was very easy to navigate controls while driving.  I gave up trying to adjust the vents on the Toyota after a while.  The Honda felt very easy to navigate inside.

The middle row seat design in the Toyota is a very poor design, IMO.  You have to sit in it to see what I mean.  There is a hard plastic part of the side chairs that stick in to your sides if you sit in the middle seat and you're out of luck if your butt is wider than like a laptop.  The middle seat of the middle row is a mixed blessing.  It's built thin enough so that it can be folded up and fit in a side compartment in the rear cargo area.  The bad side of that is that it looks flimsey and one may wonder about the strength of the middle seat of the middle row...  Also, if you remove the middle row seat all together, there is an odd plastic tray that the seat sits in that reains there, weird design.  The middle row seats slide in tracks in the floor of the Toyota which could present issues if wet salt filled snowy boots go in the Toyota, if the salt water gets in the tracks, there's really no way I can see of cleaning it out which could result in rust issues in the floor.

...which leads me to the rear row of these vans.  The Toyota design looks flimsy.  The Honda design by virtue of it's simplicity appears more stronger.  The Toyota rear row is held up on pedestal legs that in the event of a rear collision, look like they may not hold up well.

Overall, we liked the Honda and got the EX-L.  We wanted the cloth interior but actually the cloth seats in the Toyota felt nicer than the Honda so we up graded to the Leather (Thus the "L" in the model name.) and because of that we got a back up camera, satelite radio with a 2 GB hard drive, heated seats, moonroof (Love the open air feeling!) and other things other things.  These newer cars come with so many nice gadgets now, like the power lift gate, etc.
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Re: Dodge, Honda, or Toyota minivan?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012 - 12:34:35 AM »
As far as cost, here's the deal.  I don't know if you have Costco where you live.  If not, it's like BJ's or any other type of warehouse buyers club sorta thing where you have a membership.  We got a decent deal from Costco.

I was going to go to a dealer that was known for their low prices because their slogan is, "We buy our cars with cash and pass our savings on to you" sort of deal.  Before I went to that dealer, I went to the auto program page and entered in our info and within like 15 minutes a deal called us via the Costco program and gave us a no hagle price, told us the MSRP then their price, which across the board was like $5-$6 thousand less than the sticker price.  With that info in hand, I went to this cheap dealer and showed the price to them and they said that the price we were getting was less than what they buy their cars for.  The price we got from Costco was about $3,500 less than the price this other dealer offered.

On top of the price discount on the car itelf, we got 15% discount on all the options, the extened warranty and also Lojack.  I opted for the extened warranty since we got a discount on it and it covered the car bumper to bumper and included rental car and hotel if the car breaks down and it needs to be in the shop for more than a day or so.  With all the electronics and display screens, satelite radio, sensors on the doors, engine, etc, I figure it was worth it.
1972 Dodge Challenger Rallye 340, AT, Code TB3=Super Blue, SBD=8/17/1971.  Yes, a Rallye without the fender louvers from the factory because of the body side molding option.

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