Anyone here in the HVAC field?

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Offline aris_unlimited

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Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« on: July 04, 2013 - 01:39:32 AM »
Got a question, hoping someone here is in the heating and ac industry. Our AC (central air) in our house hasn't been working that well. Unit is 4 years old. For the first 2 years it worked great. We could keep the thermostat set at 70 and it would cool the house extremely well all day long. Then in the third year we noticed that the coil kept freezing up, and the a/c would stop blowing cold air. We'd have to turn it off and defrost it before we could start the cycle all over again. Had 2 a/c repairmen come and check it out. First one told us that it had to much freon in it (kinda hard to believe since it worked great for 2 years), second repairman told us to insulate the house better and turn the thermostat up so the a/c didn't have to work so hard. It was a temporary fix, it worked ok that way last year. Usually keeping the air around 75ish. This year everything has gone to hell. It isn't blowing as hard as it used to and even though the thermostat is set at 75 (around 9 pm, when the day has had plenty of time to cool down) the house still sits around 85, and is usually a little hotter than it is outside. Honestly I can feel cold air coming through the vents but it doesn't blow very hard anymore and it seems to not even help in cooling the house down.

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Re: Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2013 - 02:41:49 AM »
First check your house air filter to see if it clogged. Look at the coils outside to see if they are dirty. Or the unit could be low on freon. Or the expansion valve for the freon is bad.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2013 - 02:46:41 AM »
I suggested air filter because poor air flow will cause it to freeze also if the ducts themselves sre clogged but after four years I doubt the ducts are clogged. I change my air filter at least two times a year.

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Re: Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2013 - 02:55:04 AM »
Hey,
Been in the business 20 years, on my way out now cause of knee problems and just over it mainly. Ok quick rundown of things that cause a unit to freeze up. Main things are lack of airflow across the evaporator coil (indoor coil on the furnace or in the air handler in an electric heat case) caused by dirty filter, blower motor not running or running too slow, squirrel cage very dirty or loose/missing blades, dirty coil, too little duct work - either returns or supplies. Next is low freon - too much freon generally raises the pressure of the system and gets the suction pressure/temperature above freezing. Since unit has been running good for a period of time basically rule out a ductwork problem as it is mainly a design issue. Motor could be dying and running slow but most likely is low freon or dirty filter or coil - for the most part it takes a very dirty filter and pretty dirty coil to cause freezing if the system is correct and good in all other areas. I would thaw unit out good by running fan - on not auto at thermostat, and cool to off. You can keep an eye on the drain line outside to see once it quits for a little while you know the coil is completely defrosted - if very frozen this can take 6-12 hours. Start the a/c, if the inside unit is easy to get to go there, if not go out to the a/c outside, feel the suction line - bigger one, should be insulated but you can find a way to feel the pipe. See how cold it gets after a few minutes running - this will vary alot depending on the temperature inside and out, humidity ... which is why it is important a professional check it out - of course a true professional is not so easy to find. if it is an airflow problem you will feel the line get cold - especially at the inside unit. If it is low freon the line will not cool down quickly, especially outside - the cooling of the line comes from liquid freon still in the lines after passing through the evaporator so if it is low it will not let liquid through until after the coil freezes. How long does it take the coil to freeze after it is fully defrosted? with the unit being 4 years old is it an R-22 or R-410A system? Alot of the guys aren't up to speed on the 410A, it is much higher pressure than 22.
P.S. - you have changed the filter haven't you?
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Re: Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2013 - 05:24:34 AM »
Yes we just changed the filter recently (have changed it a few times, but again recently). Interesting thing is the coil isn't freezing up anymore. I don't think it is working hard enough to, I have some real curiosity about the blower motor, because it really doesn't seem to blow that hard.

It is an outdoor unit, and nothing is really that dirty. It connects into the main furnace in the house and into the ducts through there. I think it's an R-22 system, but I will double check tomorrow and let you know.

 We are having another ac guy come soon, and everyone says he is really good with the units. And I hope he is, because if he gives us the same crap everyone else has, I am not paying him lol.
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Re: Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2013 - 05:57:56 AM »
Maybe your just full of too much hot air?  :stirpot: :poopoke: :smilielol:

Seriously is the drain from the AC pluged? If its full of water it won't cool ether.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2013 - 09:48:15 AM »
How about how the controls that allow the system to shut off in a low pressure situation such as freeze up. Maybe that is just automotive. If there isn't such a control air flow and low charge amount sound right. Maybe it needs to.be overcharged to worked correctly based off the fact the the first repairs said it was overcharged.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2013 - 01:26:23 PM »
Check if you have a blow through setup (most residential systems are). Check for crap built up inside of fan and at face of the DX coil. Clean and sanitized. Check fan for airflow by going through the available settings. If flow is still low, check the RPM of the fan motor. The newer systems use ECM motors and may be it is going bad. Check the control board as well if fan speed can vary. If your coil freeze, your charge and compressor should be fine.
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Re: Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2013 - 11:00:31 PM »
Lots of good advice from the service guys, my area of expertise is the ductwork. Sounds like your system is a coil cut-in. That is to say a coil is installed into the plenum of your existing ductwork and the refrigerant lines are piped to the condenser outside. If the refrigerant gases all check out as ok. It probably is an air flow issue, dirty coils or filter could be a culprit a volume damper blowing shut is another possibility make sure they are open and the nut on them is tight. Is your duct work insulated on the inside? Sometimes that stuff can come loose and plug an opening. Other causes could be not enough return air, how many returns in your home and what size are they? Is your system in an attic or basement? Check your ducts, especially if you have flex duct that stuff can get crushed easily and restrict flow. I have seen attic jobs with crushed flex from someone doing who knows what up there.

Keep the condenser outside free of any obstructions too tall grass, shrubs etc. you don`t want anything restricting airflow around it.   

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Re: Anyone here in the HVAC field?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2013 - 02:17:00 AM »
I have seen problems with people using new Hepa filters vs non. Hepa filters restrict more air flow than mormal air filters.