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Offline TROUBLE987

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2010 - 06:55:37 PM »
Todd don't hog all the info.. :nono: i want some too.. :drool:..also you spraying any of the waterborne paints yet?




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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2010 - 02:19:19 AM »
Todd don't hog all the info.. :nono: i want some too.. :drool:..also you spraying any of the waterborne paints yet?

Regarding waterborne paints on engine blocks (keeping on topic) :roflsmiley: I submit the following information.

I've been shooting waterborne paints for years. I love the PPG Envirobase HP. PPG is the top dog in waterborne paints since 1992. (Here we go again!) I've shot some Dupont CroMax - didn't like it to much. PPG has a new clear coat called EC 7000 that is awesome. Waterborne paint covers well and sprays fast.(Flash time)

People shouldn't be afraid of waterborne paint systems. 70% of OEM colors are waterborne from the factory. So switching from solvent based paints to water is a no brainer. I'm in the process of building a new booth and it's going to be designed based on the new 2011 EPA paint rules. Waterborne technology all the way.

Only the base coat is subject to the waterborne rule. Primers, sealers and clear coats are unaffected. I suggest you all give it a try if you haven't already. It's a good product.

House of Kolor has avoided the waterborne rule all together with a new line of custom paint called Shimrin2. New EPA compliant paint and NO water. :cooldancing:

So in keeping on topic - yes you could use it on your engine block! :roflsmiley:

Have a good day Trouble. I PM'd you the other info.(Hemi)

Todd

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2010 - 12:58:10 PM »
Todd i wasnt asking about putting it on the motor but thx for the info..i was just reading up on it,and knew you was in the business so thats why i asked..so whats the deal on the base is it something that still can be used in a semi down draft booth?also how does the price compare?thx for the hemi info too..sorry for all the questions..im not in the business anymore but i lease my shop out and the booth inside it is mine,so if its something that cant be used in the booth anymore,then i may have to start making plans now to look into buying a new booth or working something out with the guy?

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2010 - 03:08:37 PM »
Todd i wasnt asking about putting it on the motor but thx for the info..i was just reading up on it,and knew you was in the business so thats why i asked..so whats the deal on the base is it something that still can be used in a semi down draft booth?also how does the price compare?thx for the hemi info too..sorry for all the questions..im not in the business anymore but i lease my shop out and the booth inside it is mine,so if its something that cant be used in the booth anymore,then i may have to start making plans now to look into buying a new booth or working something out with the guy?

I was TRYING to be FUNNY Trouble. I was just joking about painting a motor with the waterborne so we weren't technically OFF topic.

It's all apples and oranges when it comes down to waterborne vs solvent base and costs. Waterborne toner cans are smaller and more expensive, thus water is more expensive than solvent BUT you'll use less. Waterborne covers much better than solvent - 1 to 1 1/2 coats as opposed to 2 to 3 coats solvent - so you'll use less waterborne material for any given job. So the costs are about the same in the end game.

 Waterborne paint is thinner and prep work must be done to a higher standard. If your solvent based paint jobs look like crap - forget the water. Waterborne paint will separate the men from the boys. PERIOD.

Darn Trouble - this is work! :roflsmiley:

The key to waterborne is flash time and the drying of the base coat. Waterborne finishes need a different environment to dry properly. A down draft booth has LAMINAR or NON TURBULENT air flow. LAMINAR air follows the contour of the vehicle or part it encounters. This may sound good but it is not what you want with waterborne. LAMINAR airflow creates a boundary layer of stagnant air that develops on the vehicle surface. This layer of air saturates with moisture and slows the drying process. So with waterborne paint your goal is to create turbulence on the surface being painted. Turbulence will break up LAMINAR air flow and eliminate any micro climate associated with it.

So you think with all of that - you may have to change your spray booth. You don't. You must add quads or wall mounted blower units in the corners of your booth 12 inches off the floor. Additional units at the top. Vertical air is bad. Blowers - blast gates and corner towers are a must. I'm going back to a conventional cross draft booth with all of the equipment just mentioned..

One last point. Optimum humidity for your waterborne booth environment should be kept at 72% with a window of variance set at +/- 3%. If the water isn't completely flashed off it will boil or "POP" under the clear coat.

I could go on forever with this. I know that sooner or later - everything will be water. Be it 10 or 20 years from now - it's coming. And it WILL be EVERY state in the union.

Todd

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2010 - 07:23:11 AM »
Where are you Trouble? Did you get all of this?

Todd

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2010 - 11:02:16 AM »
Where are you Trouble? Did you get all of this?

Todd
YEP!!!i got all of this..thx for the help too..and what kinda of car do you have?

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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2012 - 09:21:09 PM »
I thought you were a pro?  :stirpot:

I would blast it, it give alot better grip for paint/primer to adhere and I wouldn't use any water soluble cleaners, especially Purple Cleaner, have you tried rinsing it off your hands? It seems like it will never wash off your hands,Oxford is slipping,what, there is no 3M cleaners?  :roflsmiley:

 When painting, don't load the materials, especially clear, or you'll be taking chances of it coming off, but yes, any paint works just fine. Good luck
I have been gone a while..but I just seen this..Stefan I'm not a pro..I owned a body shop..I did do some old cars but mostly newer stuff..I like to ask questions and see what other guys are doing..if I like what they are doing better I will do that..but by no means do I claim to be a pro..to be honest if you was closer I would bring you the 71 and let you do it..I don't have time..oh and the parts you sent me looked good..

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PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2012 - 09:37:30 PM »
Ox that's some really good info..thanks for taking the time out to write it all..sorry for such a late thank you but I have sold a house built another and moved in,got married,now getting ready to build a new shop at the house..

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2012 - 10:44:36 PM »
If you are after the correct Mopar Orange, Roger Badalson/Frank Gibson Restorations has the right Orange toned Mopar paint for Hemi's & 440's. It's a muddy colored Orange. Not bright like Chevy Orange is.

There isn't any rattle can out there that duplicates the right color Orange they originally had. Mopar used to, but they changed it quite a few years ago. 

 



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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2012 - 12:20:44 AM »
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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2012 - 10:51:25 PM »
thought street hemi orange was the darker shade and race hemi orange was the muted shade? I used to tint doupont chroma one single stage and use that over epoxy with great results.last engine I painted I used ppg dp 90, then some mopar spray bomb and a coat of urethane clear.looks good and is holding up great.

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2012 - 11:05:58 PM »
thought street hemi orange was the darker shade and race hemi orange was the muted shade? I used to tint doupont chroma one single stage and use that over epoxy with great results.last engine I painted I used ppg dp 90, then some mopar spray bomb and a coat of urethane clear.looks good and is holding up great.

64-68 I think was the Break off when the Hemi colors changed.
Not 100% on that.

69-71 was the darker hue muddy orange I like to call it.

I do know earlier Hemi cars were the lighter shade. i.e: cross ram Hemi cars.
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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2012 - 11:17:13 PM »
I always'd liked the lighter shade.

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Re: PAINTING A MOTOR?
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2013 - 08:41:44 PM »
Whatever you do, don't buy the Eastwood VHT high temp Hemi Orange.   :eek4:
It is so off the charts on the color pantone.

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