need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam

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Offline vilzrod

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need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« on: May 11, 2014 - 10:41:05 AM »
I have done some research and wanted some opinions as I am doing a color change on my 1970 Plymouth cuda...  The car is VERY straight however when is was resotred 8 years ago before I owned it i think the improper procedure was done at the seam...  I have attached some pics as the seam was filled with perhaps (blueish color) duraglass? i dunno ..   My limited research has me to believe I need to clean up the seam and Tig weld (area im pointing) and then lead fill the seam ?... can you provide me the right way of doing this as most shops around hear never heard of leading ..

 I do know of a old school guy who does leading still today... These people around here know nothing about Mopars as  its all chevy here and they say duraglass it.......  I added a pic of the drivers side which I have not ground down yet to show you the faint seam you can see on a sunny day very faint but I have to fix this as it drives me crazy..

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Re: need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014 - 11:14:28 AM »
Metal to Metal


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Re: need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2014 - 11:42:02 AM »
Yep....Make sure the roof and the 1/4 panel are welded together completely 100% solid, then gound smooth. The type of filler required won't be that much of an issue after that.
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Re: need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2014 - 01:47:48 PM »
I will be crossing this bridge once I start on my car also. So your saying to just weld it completely and then grind and fill with filler? Sounds better then just spot welding and trying to lead

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Re: need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014 - 01:56:53 PM »
You can actually fill the seam with a steel patch and make sure it's welded solid and use minimal filler :2cents:
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Re: need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014 - 02:12:06 PM »
You can actually fill the seam with a steel patch and make sure it's welded solid and use minimal filler :2cents:

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This is how I did mine.  Metal strip fully welded and the Metal to Metal body filler.  Its been three plus years, no cracks or spliting.  If you are running a high horse/torque motor subframe connectors and torque boxes help as well.



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Re: need a PROS advice on the dreaded seam
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014 - 01:08:20 AM »


As you can see in my pics I it was not leaded and you saw the telegraphing... Ill listen to a PRO on this one

I just got info from one of the best Mopar resto guys around well...... read it for yourself   ....LEAD ONLY

The quality of plastic fillers has progressed immensely since their introduction and are in my opinion a better option than lead in most cases. Keep in mind that both lead & plastic are both fillers and their use should be minimized by proper metalwork.
While lead or body solder has been all but replaced by plastic fillers, there are a couple situations where I feel lead is worth the extra trouble & expense to use…
When filling is needed on the edge of panel where it may be subject to bumping, lead is preferred.

The other place I insist on using lead is on the roof seams and rocker panel to quarter joints. These seams are vulnerable to “telegraphing”. A condition where the seam becomes visible in the hot sun. It’s caused by differences in expansion of the different metal thicknesses and stress differences of the panels. Use of any plastic based filler will not stop it!...This includes All Metal, Metal-To-Metal, Tiger Hair, DuraGlas, any ‘glass strand fillers, etc. The only cure I’ve had success with is to lead the seam.

Leadwork can haunt you if it’s not done exactly right. Every step must be done correctly.