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Offline slepr1

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2014 - 02:14:33 PM »
I bought the March system and had it installed on my cuda when it was being assembled.   So far it works great, sound great and looks great.   I spoke to a hot rod garage owner and he didn't like the March systems...too many alignment issues.   Instead he uses Billet Specialties kit.   Cost more but he says no issues and easy install.
Has anyone had any issues with theirs?   
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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2014 - 02:36:38 PM »
Like most things, the change was driven by manufacturers to reduce cost.  For mass produced engines it's much cheaper to have a single belt that doesn't need multiple adjustments.
Other than the "wow factor" I really don't see any benefits.

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2014 - 06:59:31 PM »
I bought the March system and had it installed on my cuda when it was being assembled.   So far it works great, sound great and looks great.   I spoke to a hot rod garage owner and he didn't like the March systems...too many alignment issues.   Instead he uses Billet Specialties kit.   Cost more but he says no issues and easy install.
Has anyone had any issues with theirs?   


I put my March system on my new engine and no issues other that the fan clipping the nose cone on the power steering pump pulley.  Just got a larger spacer to move the fan up into the shroud.


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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014 - 12:10:38 AM »
don't know, but driving down the highway I lost the serpentine belt on my Ford Escort, and I lost alternator,
water pump, and power steering all at once!  Not good!! 90 degrees out! Made it home, barely. 3 miles away. Having synthetic oil may have
saved my bacon, as engine was really hot! Oil went from almost clear to dark molases color.

Actually you lost the Alternator, Power Steering & A/C... The Water Pump is driven by the timing belt on Escorts...
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Offline ToxicWolf

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014 - 01:33:47 PM »
As I see it, with a serpentine, I only need one spare in the trunk.  Just thinking.   :bigsmile:

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2014 - 05:21:52 PM »
Actually you lost the Alternator, Power Steering & A/C... The Water Pump is driven by the timing belt on Escorts...

OK, thanks. It was probably closer to 100 that day, and maybe the engine got hot because I lost the alternator, to run
the fan. I know my battery was very weak. Its kinda a beater car.
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Offline challenger4404spd

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2014 - 07:12:59 PM »
there are a ton of reasons to go with a serpentine belt.  spring loaded tensioner is just the tip of the iceberg.  we came out with new serpentine belt kits that use the magnum engine accessories so you can have a high amp alternator, a smaller light weight power steering pump and a sanden ac compressor.  personally I like the Chrysler belt system because it uses 7 ribs.  more ribs require less tension less hp loss through friction, granted its not much but when these new cars need to meet epa requirements the OEM save anywhere they can.  no reason old muscle shouldn't do it too. 

our kits start at $550.00 and just about everything is a la carte, so you can upgrade as funds allow or not at all,  you can use stock magnum pieces fished out of a junkyard and with our brackets everything bolts up 1,2,3.

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2014 - 08:18:40 PM »
there are a ton of reasons to go with a serpentine belt.  spring loaded tensioner is just the tip of the iceberg.  we came out with new serpentine belt kits that use the magnum engine accessories so you can have a high amp alternator, a smaller light weight power steering pump and a sanden ac compressor.  personally I like the Chrysler belt system because it uses 7 ribs.  more ribs require less tension less hp loss through friction, granted its not much but when these new cars need to meet epa requirements the OEM save anywhere they can.  no reason old muscle shouldn't do it too. 

our kits start at $550.00 and just about everything is a la carte, so you can upgrade as funds allow or not at all,  you can use stock magnum pieces fished out of a junkyard and with our brackets everything bolts up 1,2,3.

But can't you save the money and just replace the V-belts every 20,000 miles?
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Offline challenger4404spd

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Re: Why serpentine?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2014 - 09:27:08 PM »
I guess why build a big block or hemi when a 4cyl will get you from point a to b?   like efi, serpentine kit are somewhat just for looks, but also for driveability.  also did you see how big and heavy the old school alternators got when you went to 100 amps?  plus they suck at charging at idle.  with the modern stuff you get better low idle power, no dimming headlights,  also you get lighter weight and more amps, also you get higher amps to run an electric fuel pump, dual electric fans, stereo system, efi, modern headlights so you don't crash at night or no one hits you cause they can't see you. 

now we get the ac compressor,  sanden vs rv2.  giant cast iron 2 piston pump,  very inefficient, hard time finding r12 these days,  sanden is newer, parts are available, its lighter, 7 or 8 smaller pistons, less drag when running, meant to run with r134, etc. 

power steering,  on our kit we run the new zf power steering pump.  this is the one that all the new hemi engines use as well as most other modern cars.  these have options for remote reservoirs or pump mounted reservoirs.  and they are smaller and lighter than the older units. 

spring loaded tensioner, vs  arm muscle for pulling up the alternator.  belt stretch no problem, spring loading takes it up the slack,  need to run dual old v belts,  good luck finding a matched pair these days.  belt springing when revving up or shifting gears or accessories coming on?  no problem tensioner maintains a preloaded tension all the time. 

again these kits aren't for everyone.  did v belts work?  sure but that was 1970  even new machines these days are designed to use poly v belts.  the are quieter and rob less hp due to friction and they don't need to be over tightened to keep them from slipping. 

every system has drawbacks, but if the modern oems weren't using them then there would be a better alternative.  right now serpentine is a better alternative than v belt is it for everyone?  nope.