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    Offline johns cuda shop

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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #15 on: August 13, 2014 - 01:50:26 PM »
    That looks like the top fuel pump would interfere with the trunk floor..The fuel fittings look like they sit above the tank, I am guessing at least a inch figuring the height of the AN fitting, Does the foam strip to space the tank away from the trunk floor thicker than that? Any pictures of the tank installed from the bottom of the car?  Thank you :bigsmile:
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #16 on: August 13, 2014 - 02:08:27 PM »
    Compressed it is probably more like a 1/2" or 3/4" of spacing, and it caused no interference with the exhaust, valence, diff, etc...  No issues aligning the filler tube or getting the straps on either.

    I have the fuel lines and filter secured to the hard lines mounted on the front side of the crossmember near the factory 4 tube evap rollover valve location.

    The fittings clear the crossmember and the trunk floor. 


    I don't have any pics of it installed unfortunately.
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #17 on: August 15, 2014 - 07:45:11 AM »
    Sure looks like it would interfere with the floor. But as long is it works ,thats all that matters.  :bigsmile:
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #18 on: August 15, 2014 - 06:25:48 PM »
    Yeah, I have about 1,000 miles on it with no issues..........
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #19 on: October 08, 2014 - 01:03:44 PM »
    Quagmire, can you elaborate on what you did to the sender arm?  It looks like where you put the Phantom assembly is right where the old fuel pickup and float would be.

    I'm trying to visualize what was done to the sender arm.  Did you just bend it far enough towards the rear of the car to clear the Phantom's reservoir?


    Looks like a killer setup.  Did you need to increase size of the fuel and return lines?
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #20 on: October 08, 2014 - 07:58:53 PM »
    Did you need to modify the gas tank straps at all?
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #21 on: October 08, 2014 - 09:23:11 PM »
    I cut the tube off after the sender mount since it isn't needed anymore.  Then I simply tweaked the tube upstream of the sender to the back of the car enough to not catch on the pump assy.  I made no modifications to the tank straps or any other mounting.
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #22 on: October 28, 2014 - 08:20:29 AM »
    Quagmire, thanks for the feedback.  I was considering this pump. After reading your review I'm pretty sure this is what I'm going with.
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #23 on: October 28, 2014 - 09:17:26 AM »
    oh.. one more thing. Where did you run the vent tube to?
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #24 on: October 28, 2014 - 01:25:52 PM »
    Curious about the venting as well.  I've got a 70 CA ECS tank (4 tubes coming out of tank to the trunk vapor separator.)  Use them, plug them, tie the fuel pump vent into the existing system somehow?
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #25 on: November 15, 2014 - 10:18:09 PM »
    Sorry, don't get on here all too often....  I ran a new vent. 

    The pump module has a -6AN ORB fitting (3/8") for the vent, and I didn't want to run into tank suction issues with the tiny 1/4" vent setups.  When I bought the new tank to cut I bought a 1970 tank with no vent fittings.  I ran a steel 3/8" vent line with a loop up to the fill tube and back down to mimic the stock 1970 vent setup so I could benefit from a high capacity vent and not run into issues with overflow out of it.

    The space where the separator used to be is now where I mount the fuel filter.  It's about 20F right now and I drove this car to and from work yesterday without a problem.  No choking, warm up time, or drama at all as it was cold.  It drove like a new car.  I love EFI!!!!
    « Last Edit: November 15, 2014 - 10:21:50 PM by quagmire »
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #26 on: December 24, 2014 - 09:23:57 PM »
    I was doing some searching and found this install in an e-body tank.

    http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/1409-upgrading-a-mopar-fuel-system/

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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #27 on: January 12, 2015 - 03:55:28 PM »
    Quote from: JoeGrapes on July 30, 2014 - 01:55:39 PM
    don't get me wrong John, I'm not pushing the Edelbrock sump system as being the best for everyone. But to address some of your concerns, the sump pump is submerged in fuel just as it would be with an in-tank pump. It's just as quiet as any in-tank pump I have on a modern car. The motor starts just fast as any fuel injected motor. I took the washer bottle out and put the sump in that location so it takes up no more space. If want your engine compartment to look original than this would not be for you. It's a pretty stout hi impact container so being in a crash is not to much of worry for me. For me it was the best solution for the EFI fuel problem.
    I run this sump as well...  works great for me.  Is being fed by the mechanical pump off the engine.  Simple install.  If my EFI system fails I can redirect the fuel line from the mechanical and switch to a carb in an emergency. 
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #28 on: October 15, 2015 - 06:03:43 AM »
    Ive ordered one of these pumps for my Cuda, not sure if I'll mount it in the middle front or right front.  Im going to make tank strap dropper plates for the front to drop it 1" for clearance, these will just hook into the body like the originals and then teh straps will hook into the plates like the chassis mounts, the rear of the tank will not change so the filler wont change. I have a new tank with the 4 vent tubes so I'll more than likely just block them off or something. Im not sure what I will do with the vent pipe to be honest, I dont want to run it back to the filler. Im constrained by a must not add any holes to the body in any way as the car is an original numbers matching etc. does anyone have any suggestions on an alternate for the vent line??
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    Re: Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump
    « Reply #29 on: October 15, 2015 - 11:27:45 AM »
    Just throwing this out there,
    Is there a mechanical pump that can deliver the higher PSI required for EFI?
    Could you not add a small pressurized reserve tank down stream of a mechanical pump with a check valve to lock in pressure for start up? I would assume it would need some sort of relief valve for hot days.
    Thoughts????
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