Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump

[renegade0131]

Just wondering if anyone has installed an Aeromotive Phantom in-tank fuel pump in a stock E-body tank? If so, I would like your opinions, experiences. Thanks!

[crash340]

 

['Cuda Hunter]

  I am curious myself. 

['Cuda Hunter]

These?

http://blogs.moparmusclemagazine.com/6802801/miscellaneous/aeromotive-phantom-fuel-system-electric-fuel-pump/

http://www.summitracing.com/search/department/air-fuel-delivery/brand/aeromotive/product-line/aeromotive-phantom-fuel-systems

And an interesting read.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=7470949

['Cuda Hunter]

Installation instructions.

http://www.jegs.com/p/Aeromotive/Aeromotive-Phantom-Stealth-Fuel-System/2433963/10002/-1

Now if someone would just say that it works good............

[johns cuda shop]

i think the problem would be finding a flat spot to mount it. it seems to me there are too many uneven surfaces on a stock ebody tank. i have seen people cut a small section out of the tank and weld in a flat piece of sheet metal so they can mount it.

[renegade0131]

That's the one. I have seen installs in a Chevy and a B-body tank.
Was looking to see if anyone had first hand knowledge of installing in an E-body tank since it is a little narrower and the shape, want to make sure there is room so there is no interference with sending unit etc.

[renegade0131]

johns cuda shop - those are some of my concern exactly on an E-body tank.

[johns cuda shop]

Their is other problems also, My main concern would be after you weld the tank for the pump, the inside of the tank should be coated because of the exposed metal inside the tank where it was welded. More on this subject here http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=88070.0

[JoeGrapes]

I looked at that pump when I went with EFI. There is just no place on a E-Body gas tank to put it where it wouldn't stick up to far. I would have to lower the tank down some to get the clearance you need from the trunk floor. I've replace the in-tank fuel pump on a few modern cars and it's a pain because you have to take the tank down. And this pump is not cheap. It was just a lot easier to go with the Edelbrock sump system and a little less money also. If I ever have to replace the pump it's a piece of cake.

[johns cuda shop]

Yeah, I am not to fond of the sump kit. It takes valuable under hood space plus I would be concerned in any fuel in a sump in the engine compartment in case of a crash. The In tank pump might be harder to replace but , It is quieter , stays cooler ,never looses its prime because the sump is fully submerged in fuel. Another advantage is most pumps are better pushers than pullers ,so the pump in the tank pushes the fuel ,where as a pump on the outside need to get it from pulling ,gravity. Fuel injection systems don't work very well when they don't have consistant fuel pressure,

[JoeGrapes]

don't get me wrong John, I'm not pushing the Edelbrock sump system as being the best for everyone. But to address some of your concerns, the sump pump is submerged in fuel just as it would be with an in-tank pump. It's just as quiet as any in-tank pump I have on a modern car. The motor starts just fast as any fuel injected motor. I took the washer bottle out and put the sump in that location so it takes up no more space. If want your engine compartment to look original than this would not be for you. It's a pretty stout hi impact container so being in a crash is not to much of worry for me. For me it was the best solution for the EFI fuel problem.

[johns cuda shop]

Maybe I just skeptical, but I am still not convinced. The system uses two pumps. one to pull the fuel to the surge tank an another to push the fuel to the fuel rail. So you have to maintain 2 fuel pumps, 1 a pusher another a puller. So they need to work together for the system to work.  I am glad the system is quiet and not noisy. I am having alot of trouble getting my head around having the fuel tank up front, maybe it just me. Curious ,How much PSI can it pump the the rails ?What if you want to add a power adder like a supercharger or something. Do they use a universal fuel pump in their system in case it stops and your on the road and need one from a parts store..?  These are some of the questions I had about it ? As long as you like it ,thats all that matters. Thanks 

[JoeGrapes]

Some of your questions you'll have to ask Edelbrock John. The system uses your motor's stock mechanical pump to supply the sump tank. The pump in the tank is the same pump that you would use as an in-tank pump. The pump itself doesn't know that its in a sump or a tank, it's just surrounded by fuel that it pushes to the throttle body at a constant 58 psi. I look at the fuel sump container as being no different in a front crash than a gas tank would be in a rear crash. The way the sump container is made and the amount of fuel it holds would make it more survivable in a crash than a stock metal gas tank. But you need to do what's comfortable for you. We have much in common, I'm a machinist/tool maker with 40 years in the trade. Retired now.   

[quagmire]

I'm running the Phantom 340 kit in my 74 Challenger with no issues.  The install is super easy and it fits perfect.  I had no problems with it sealing and the kit comes with strips of foam to space the tank down a little bit.  I had to bend the sender arm a bit since it is so long, but it actually reads more accurate now so it was a win win.  The pump is extremely quiet, and I have zero issues with fuel starvation.  It also comes with a 3/8" vent line so there are no issues with the tank going into a vacuum on hard accel either.