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Offline dave73chally

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Raw fuel smell
« on: July 30, 2014 - 09:51:23 PM »
I'm getting a raw fuel smell when car is parked after driving. I had the top end of the engine apart for a head gasket replacement and fuel started dripping out of the line going from the tank to the charcoal canister when disconnected, the car only had 1/4 tank of gas. I thought this was for venting vapors from the tank, why is fuel coming up through this line? I'm guessing this is why I'm getting that raw fuel smell?

Also,  I have a vented gas cap and when I open it a lot of pressure releases, is this normal? Whenever I fuel up at the gas station, my temp gauge maxes out on startup then falls back down, this only happens the initial startup at the station after the fuel cap is opened and closed.

FWIW, my car has been running lean and hotter than normal and can't seem to diagnose why. Also the 4 vent lines behind the gas tank look to be hooked up properly.
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014 - 10:03:46 PM »
is it dripping gas on the ground anywhere? if so, from where?
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014 - 10:35:00 PM »
No gas dripping. When the engine was apart it continuously was flowing through the fuel filter hose and hose venting to the charcoal canister so I had to pinch both lines.
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2014 - 11:21:29 PM »
No gas dripping. When the engine was apart it continuously was flowing through the fuel filter hose and hose venting to the charcoal canister so I had to pinch both lines.

maybe got some raw fuel in the vent line, from the head maintenance, and the system is getting rid of it.
Maybe remove gas cap, and put a little air pressure down the vent line back to the tank?

no drip on ground is a good sign, anyway.
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2014 - 11:53:40 PM »
Your vented cap seems to not be venting...therefore any heat from expansion is going to push the fuel somewhere

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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014 - 02:15:39 AM »
wipe your hand around the fuel pump, to check for gas.
Sometimes they develop leaks.

running hot is one result of running lean.
What do plugs look like.
Might need to increase jet size.
Make sure timing is good, as that can make it run hot too.
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2014 - 07:24:13 AM »
Your vented cap seems to not be venting...therefore any heat from expansion is going to push the fuel somewhere

I've read some members drill a small hole in the gas cap to relieve the pressure, seems like others have had a similar issue with locking fuel caps? Wouldn't this just be a bandaid though instead of fixing the issue, and fuel could potential leak onto my paint? Maybe this cap is faulty?
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014 - 07:29:35 AM »
wipe your hand around the fuel pump, to check for gas.
Sometimes they develop leaks.

running hot is one result of running lean.
What do plugs look like.
Might need to increase jet size.
Make sure timing is good, as that can make it run hot too.


Here's a picture of my plugs, I posted this in another thread a few days back and it was said I'm running lean:


No fuel around the fuel pump. Timing was just set not too long ago but I will double check. I'm checking for vacuum leaks today. If I don't find anything, I'll pull the carb and bring it to get checked out.
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2014 - 08:12:03 AM »
I had an intermittent fuel smell problem after driving. sometimes is smelled, sometimes it didn't.  Could see no leak or drips anywhere.  I decided to check all the rubber lines for brittleness.   The rubber line coming off the frame mounted steel line that goes into the fuel pump cracked as soon as I squeezed it.  Replaced it, never happened again.  I figured the rubber line was just porous enough to let the vapors out but not the fuel, that is until after I squeezed it.    :working: 
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2014 - 09:02:47 AM »
On my car, the accelerator pump gasket was bad. Gas would drip out and pool on the manifold. It was so little that the fuel evaporated before I could see it. I would smell gas in the garage after about an hour of parking it. Ethanol in the fuel wreaks havoc with our fuel systems.

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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2014 - 09:22:26 AM »
I've read some members drill a small hole in the gas cap to relieve the pressure, seems like others have had a similar issue with locking fuel caps? Wouldn't this just be a bandaid though instead of fixing the issue, and fuel could potential leak onto my paint? Maybe this cap is faulty?

yes, that would be the correct action.  However, if your car is a '73, it came with a valved cap that only opens if the pressure in the tank is around 1 psi.  With a vented cap, if you do not fill the gas to the top of the filler tube, fume pressure should activate the valve in the cap and release the fumes into the air.  There should not be any liquid involved.

I suspect you may have two problems.  First the '73 models have a vapor separator in the back that collects vapors off the top of the tank inside, separates the liquid contained with the vapors and sends it back to the tank while routing the vapors on to the front of the car to the canister.  Normally, there should not be much pressure in the tank on a hot day because the fumes that make the pressure are going to the canister.  I think there is a valve in there that releases the pressure and it can be stuck from what I have read here.

If your canister is connected to the carburetor properly, fumes remaining after passing thru the charcoal then get pulled into the carburetor.



I also believe that if your carb is flooding, then some of this fuel can drain back to the canister.  Given my car has no canister, I have not paid much attention to how it should work.

Your shop manual will give a more accurate description as to correct function and hose connections.

If you loosen your gas cap and the problem goes away, then you can figure the main problem is in the tank end of the equation, most likely.

If you look down the carb while running and see raw gas going into the intake, then you can figure you have a carb problem most likely, or maybe too much fuel pressure which is not likely, I suspect.


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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014 - 10:56:54 AM »
Thanks for all the info Strawdawg, great starting point for me.

I installed an aftermarket flip top and locking gas cap. It's model CST 5771 from autozone. It's supposed to be venting but I suspect it may not be.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/_/N-5yc1s?itemIdentifier=4384
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2014 - 11:16:17 AM »
blow on it and see if it opens with harder blowing as described in the manual

Another check under the hood would be to disconnect the lines from the carb to the canister and plug them so the carb is not sucking air...if the problem goes away, it was in the cap or tank valve
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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2014 - 12:15:41 PM »
Remove the vapor separator and soak it in EvapoRust.  The internal valve must be rusted and stuck OPEN.  The valve only allows flow in the middle of its travel.  It blocks flow when it's all the way forward or backward.  That's the only thing I can think of that would result in liquid fuel in the vapor line.  The tank is building pressure, the valve in the separator is open, so fuel backs up into the vapor line.

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Re: Raw fuel smell
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2014 - 04:17:10 PM »
Would the valve in the separator open due to excess pressure in the fuel tank, possibly caused by the cap not venting properly? I drilled a small hole in the cap and no pressure, don't have a raw fuel smell either. Also capped the 2 lines coming off the carb to the charcoal canister.

Any ill effects of running it like this? Figure I'll reconnect the canister lines in the next few days and see if the smell comes back.
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