tie rod adjustment running out of adjustment for alignment

[Chryco Psycho]

I agree , the hole & notch should line up on the shaft , you now you need longer adjuster sleeve on one side I guess

[HP_Cuda]

Makes sense to me, I'll have to try this out today as mine needs adjustment!

Wrong Solution Period... Read my above post for the full explanation.... The solution is to fix the damn Pitman Arm...

[Chryco Psycho]

I agree that it is the wrong solution but I have seen cars driven 1/2 turn off center , I would prefer to have more turning towards the right over the left , by assembling the coupler 180* out it may split the spline difference & allow equal length tie rods at least & although the box is not centered it would not be significantly loose 1/2 turn from center but this is still the wrong way to fix it , sounds like the pitman arms need to be resplined from the mfg

[1 Wild R/T]

I agree , the hole & notch should line up on the shaft , you now you need longer adjuster sleeve on one side I guess

Yeah, not the right fix which would be to have made the pitman arm right.. But it's better than setting the steering gear off center..  Problem with that much discrepancy between the tie rod lengths is it can/likely will create a odd bump steer issue....

I'd honestly consider using my flame wrench & correcting the pitman arm... I know your not supposed to but done properly I've never had any issues...

[mopar jack]

If I heated the rod to bend it would it have to be heat teated? I thought I was the only one that had this problem so I thouht I would buy another one though they are expensive so I wouldn't have to worry about weakening the rod. But now I'm thinking they are all off from the manufactorer.

[HP_Cuda]

 

Just got back from adjusting my tie rod ends with my FF setup. I got mine super close to straight as an arrow and I didn't have to drop the steering arm to get there. I have full range from side to side so I wonder if this was a particular run from FF?

I guess the truth will be known once the steering column goes in...

B

[crash340]

Thanks team, yup, my conclusion is the pitman arm spline is half a spline out. And I'm not super excited about one short and one long tie rod arm either.
so are all suppliers of fast ratio arms the same? Is there a couple of makers, ? Maybe someone has it right? Has anyone got an original AAR arm to possibly compare etc?
bottom line, at least I'm not going nuts

Greg

[crash340]

below sketch is what I think is happening with thr fast ratio arm. I have overlayed a std length Pitman arm to a FR arm, the thin red lines represent front to back and 90 deg etc. imagine both arms being splined the same in this case, due to the arm lenght of the FR arm being longer, the location of the ball joint is now either one side or the other of the centre line of the original arm, pending which spline you have it on, this is the issue Im having, the solution is as stated, the FR arm spline needs to be correctly 'clocked', by roughtly half a spline.

[mopar jack]

Good illustration. I bought mine from Hotchkis and it has the mopar p part number. So I suspect they are made by one company. Don't know if it can be resplined and I can't see it beeing easy to bend. That arm is very thick.

[crash340]

MJ, was the Hotchkis arm master splined so it would only fit onto the shaft in one location?

[mopar jack]

There was no master or indexing spline.

[crash340]

Thanks, appreciate it

[crash340]

So, does anyone know who makes a correct pitman arm, a no bs absolutely correct one?

[CUDA JAS]

So, does anyone know who makes a correct pitman arm, a no bs absolutely correct one?

A fast ratio one or a stock one?

I did not see the addressed in the post, are you also using the correct fast ratio idler arm???

Jason

[crash340]

All fast ratio, yes am running FR idler as well.