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Offline Manbearpig

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2014 - 11:34:54 AM »
Where are you going to mount your knock sensors?




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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2014 - 02:11:30 PM »
My first choice is in the bolt holes for the engine to trans braces that everybody removes and never puts back on since I won't have to mess with the coolant at all if I have to remove or replace them. 

If that doesn't work, the tried and true block drain plugs will work.  Most older vehicles had them screwed into those ports from the factory.

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2014 - 01:38:09 PM »
Can you share a bit more about how you picked up the signal from the distributor? Maybe some pictures of the modifications you mentioned?
Thanks!

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2014 - 11:28:29 PM »
I didn't modify the distributor other than locking out the mechanical and vacuum advance.  I'm reading the RPM directly off of the VR sensor in the MSD distributor.  The Megasquirt has two adjustable potentiometers that can be turned to get a clean signal.  I was able to get it to read by simply adjusting the pots and making no other hardware modifications.

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2014 - 11:51:58 PM »
Thanks for the update posts. Inspiring to read. Please keep them coming.
Recently finished converting the 360 in my Challenger to Magnum accessories and M1 intake with the port injectors.
(more room for twin turbos  :bigsmile:)
Megasquirt conversion is next on the bucket list.

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2015 - 12:17:06 AM »
Update:  I finished building a new MS3X/MS2 trans control harness and bulkhead plate with 3 35-pin Ampseal connectors keyed and color coded differently.  It went much smoother than expected and the fit and finish is like that of a new car.  Since I have a lot more extra room on the passenger side near the glove box due to the VA A/C kit I was able to build a bracket and mount the MS3X and MS2 piggybacked to each other vertically.  I still have good access if I have to remove or service anything.

I built a new and improved engine harness and isolated the chassis harness so it all unplugs nice and easy if I pull the engine.  I replaced my two ugly external fuse and relay blocks with a nice Bussmann sealed PDM that contains micro relays and mini fuses in one smaller footprint.  I added several Metripack 150 and 280 series connectors to make it easy to remove too....  I strive for OEM level quality, reliability, and service wherever possible.  All wires are color coded and printed TXL wire since I used a cut to fit DIYAutoTune kit.

The LS2 truck coils are now mounted to the valve covers and wires made up for them, and I started fitting the knock sensors.  The bank 1 sensor mounted pretty easily to the unused engine to trans brace bolt hole, but I will have to get creative for bank 2 since there is little header clearance.  I may need to dimple the tube.  If anyone tries this, I used Delphi flat response sensors (listed for use on a 2004 Astro van, among other things) and slightly enlarged the mounting holes to fit a 3/8" bolt.  These sensors are more of a "wideband" sensor and much more universal than traditional 1 wire sensors that are tuned to very specific frequencies.  Ironically, they are cheaper too! I've also installed transducers to monitor oil and fuel pressure.  I'll have warning lamps and derate strategies in place to protect the engine if anything drops off.

My next step will be mounting the crank trigger and getting a CMP sensor adapter bushing made.  I already have the Jeep sensor on hand.  I also have to modify the old MS2 for trans control duties, and am currently building and beefing up a 4L60E (flame away....) from the case up that I will be able to control from every aspect with the new trans control code.  Given the power level and condition of my core, the case and valve body are about the only things not getting chucked.  Once this car has overdrive it will see a whole lot more usage!  I also want to give a shout out to Silver Sport Transmissions, who recently acquired the rights to Keislers old products.  I started my own 4L60E conversion in the wake of that transition, and they were extremely helpful in hooking me up with the remaining parts I would have otherwise have to fabricate on my own.  They were very nice and their prices were very realistic. 

I cannot say the same about Quicktime; they know literally nothing about the conversion bellhousing they sell and were rude.  I doubt I will get a callback from their engineer that supposedly made this thing.  I don't know how you can manufacture, validate, and advertise a part without knowing specifically what 4l60E trans setup was used for design nor what parts need to be used to make it all work....  Scary.

I drove it to work at the end of November on MS2  before downing it for the season, and in sub 20F weather that was so far untuned/uncharted territory it performed flawlessly and started right up.  I brought my laptop anticipating some tweaking being needed.  My AFR's from the latest datalogs show a very well dialed in map with pretty little effort.  I cannot recommend this system enough!
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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2015 - 12:40:25 AM »
Trying to put a 4L60e behind a 440. What parts were you able to get from Silver Sport? Quicktime is beyond useless and I am a dealer for Accel/Mr Gasket, the parent company.

TIA,

Rob

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2015 - 12:49:00 AM »
I obviously have a small block car, but they were able to help me out with the shifter detent conversion parts with cable linkage and the crossmember and mount.  After dealing with Quicktime, I would have definitely opted for their bellhousing as well, and may still end up doing that if I cannot figure out the Quicktime "kit" on my own.  The instructions they shipped with that thing were generic and for a manual trans car!

I called SST and had the parts withing a few days, during the holiday season no less!  The instructions that came with them are in color and very good as well.  I had an excellent experience with them.  Give them a call and see what they can/cannot do; their website only has the major kits listed.

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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2015 - 10:23:57 AM »
Not sure how far along you are on the crank trigger, but maybe this can save you some time.  I use an ATI balancer with a BB Chevy front (stock item from ATI). I had Jones Racing machine a mandrel that bolted to the balancer and centers and sandwiches a Holley BB crank trigger tone wheel. The mandrel will accept any of the Jones pulleys. They have the mandrel spec file and will make it for you, just have to ask.  Once you see the pulleys and how easy it is to align them, you'll be sold.
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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2015 - 11:38:41 AM »
You are making great progress!

Have you made the CPS adapter bushing yet?  I ask because JimG over on dodgecharger.com is working with a machinist to make B and RB versions of the CPS bushing for a few of us.  The main difference between the B and RB versions is the height of the bushing out of the block.  The RB needs less due to the 4" shaft (mounting pad to tip), B needs more (3.5").  The LA would be in between (3.875").   I am not sure if the distributor hole is the same diameter between big and small blocks.  If it is then you have an option.
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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2015 - 01:59:32 PM »
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Not sure how far along you are on the crank trigger, but maybe this can save you some time.  I use an ATI balancer with a BB Chevy front (stock item from ATI). I had Jones Racing machine a mandrel that bolted to the balancer and centers and sandwiches a Holley BB crank trigger tone wheel. The mandrel will accept any of the Jones pulleys. They have the mandrel spec file and will make it for you, just have to ask.  Once you see the pulleys and how easy it is to align them, you'll be sold.


I'll definitely have to check that out!  Do you have any pics of it installed?

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Have you made the CPS adapter bushing yet?  I ask because JimG over on dodgecharger.com is working with a machinist to make B and RB versions of the CPS bushing for a few of us.  The main difference between the B and RB versions is the height of the bushing out of the block.  The RB needs less due to the 4" shaft (mounting pad to tip), B needs more (3.5").  The LA would be in between (3.875").   I am not sure if the distributor hole is the same diameter between big and small blocks.  If it is then you have an option.


I've been keeping an eye on that deal.  If they release one I am all for it, but it doesn't seem like there has been any progress in a year or so, so I am not waiting on it being released.  As far as I know, the overall length is the only difference between all of the Mopar distributors.  The bushing height would be the only difference.  I'll probably have to get one made for my engine locally, but that is a secondary priority to the crank trigger.  I can run without a cam sensor in semi sequential fuel and wasted spark ignition mode, but I cannot run without a crank input.  My engine is dead in the water until I get that handled so it is priority #1 right now.

Pics as promised:










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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2015 - 02:11:54 PM »
My engine is at the engine shop. I'll get some pics next time in there.

I used a distributor with a flat billet cap that EFI Connection makes. It is flush with the distributor body, so very low profile, for cam sync.
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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2015 - 11:21:50 AM »
That bracket for the coil packs looks good.  I might just have to make one for myself  :bigsmile:
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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2015 - 03:09:01 PM »
Man, that is a lot of progress in short time.
Thanks for the pics.
Lots of ideas/motivation to help my transition here.

Mike.
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Re: Megasquirt 2 EFI and Vintage Air A/C on my 74 Challenger
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2015 - 05:39:18 PM »
Would you happen to have the part #s for the transducers you're using for the fuel and oil pressure?  I'm guessing that they are standard GM ones?
- Jerry