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Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« on: September 16, 2014 - 03:20:59 PM »
Going to add a front spoiler to my 73 Challenger, tossed up between the split T/A style (from Dale's Cuda Shop) or the one piece design from Spoilers by Randy. Anyone have any +/- of either or are they both of the same quality? The T/A is about half the price so that has me thinking going that route...Which do you like better?

FWIW, I'm adding a T/A rear spoiler and louvers also.

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2014 - 03:30:56 PM »
I'm thinking about adding the one piece from Randy's.  It like the look of one vs. two separate pieces.   :2cents:

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014 - 03:44:54 PM »
What are the T/A spoilers from Dale's made out of?  Are they plastic, fiberglass or metal?  I like the custom look of the Spoiler's by Randy piece.  I have one I'm putting on my Dart.  It's a nice strong piece made out of metal.  Not cheaply made by any means.

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014 - 03:59:14 PM »
Dale's are made out of plastic, Randy's being made of metal seem worth the added cost.

Anyone aware how they install?
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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2014 - 04:12:39 PM »
Dale's are made out of plastic, Randy's being made of metal seem worth the added cost.

Anyone aware how they install?


Tom did one and said it was easy - http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=99741.msg997239#msg997239

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2014 - 04:15:37 PM »
The Dart spoiler is attached with only three bolts.  Two into the bumper brackets and one into the hood latch bracket.  Since the Challenger has a valance, it's probably a little more involved.

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2014 - 04:20:54 PM »
Why not get a spoiler by Brad  :roflsmiley:
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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2014 - 04:24:26 PM »
It looks like there are actually three different spoiler options for the Challenger.  There is a PS1-C2 that is straight across the bottom.  A PS1-C that has an extra detail in the center.  Then a PS1-CA that is made out of aluminum.  I really like that one.  It's $200 though.  What one were you considering?

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2014 - 04:35:59 PM »
I'm considering PS1-C2 but at $140 + $30 shipping it isn't exactly cheap
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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2014 - 04:44:27 PM »
I'm considering PS1-C2 but at $140 + $30 shipping it isn't exactly cheap

Thats the one I'm going to go with too.

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2014 - 05:21:18 PM »
Consideration on materials, if you bang a plastic one, its going to break. If you smack a metal one, chances are you will damage it and the valance. Not sure what valances go for these days, but that could be an expensive "ouch" to fix.

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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2014 - 07:03:18 PM »
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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014 - 02:19:24 PM »
Consider www.cudaspoilerguy.com (Jon) as he makes the fiberglass replica T/A and AAR race spoilers.. he's located in southern Calif.  I recently ordered 5 Challenger spoilers from him (sharing the freight costs with other local buyers here in the Chicago/midwest area brings the cost down).

I, too, am concerned of breakage, but I'll take that risk.  My factory ABS plastic T/A spoilers have taken hard hits from pylons, etc, over the past 35+ years of autocrossing and street driving... they still are a-ok.

Also consider:

1. The split factory T/A spoilers aren't that effective in actual function; a wider and deeper/lower spoiler will offer downforce at hi-speeds (~70+ mph), such as road course lapping events, etc.

2.   A full-width spoiler takes away the ease of sliding your floor jack underneath the k-frame.  The split T/A spoilers are shallow, and with the split opening, the jack handle fits right between the them allowing you to pump the jack;  a full-width spoiler won't allow that pumping as easily unless you've got the car elevated or sitting high to begin with.

3.  When I eventualy install my full-width spoiler, I'll use another valence panel and may also attach some brace supports underneath, such as the way Brad did his... he did a great job making his overall unit!... and yes, he should consider selling them to cover some of the costs for future race events, etc!

4.  I'm considering to have a ~12"-15" center removable section (maybe hinged or pinned) so to allow the floor jack to easily slide underneath and pump the handle as well.

5.  I like to differentiate my Challenger from all the others.  I'm a fan of the vintage TransAm cars and their heritage... so, the full-width front spoiler will speak for itself.   I intend to cut my brake cooling openings in the spoiler so to fit my exact air ducts as i want them.

6.  Its possible that you can take 2-sets of T/A split spoilers and widen them towards the fenders... cut/blend/epoxy and heat shape them around the turn signals... and you'd have a better/wider factory split spoiler still with the center opening for the floor jacj, as well as reasonble ground clearance.

7.  You can get low-cost air ducts and incorporate them into the T/A split spoilers (or any spoilers, for that matter) by using the typical shop-vac floor ends (Craftsman, Home Depot, etc).

8.  You probably know that the current 2008-up Challenger front spoilers can be made-to-fit onto our cars... past thread has details.... pretty slick and sharp idea!

The picture of the black Challenger... is that front spoiler an actual model FOR the Challenger from Randy's?  It looks pretty good, but easily damaged... yet more funtional as well.

Good luck with your decision!
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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2015 - 09:16:04 AM »
So I found out the top picture of the 72-74 challenger is not a Spoilers by Randy, it is custom. I spoke with Spoilers by Randy and they do not have any pictures of the PS1-C2 installed on a challenger. The only picture of a PS1-C2 that I can find is on Tom's build page that's linked above. It looks good but I'm looking for a spoiler that's a bit bigger and runs the whole width of the front valance, one that resembles the dimensions of this on on this cuda:


Am I looking at going custom? Anyone know of any other aftermarket options?
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Re: Front Spoiler - T/A or Spoilers by Randy?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2015 - 09:23:59 AM »
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8377978&Main=8356514
Act quick as he only does limited runs on these so it seems?
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Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0