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Offline Racer57

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Fix small hole in headliner ?
« on: September 18, 2014 - 10:01:08 PM »
I have a 5/16 hole that just showed up in my headliner. Its about 2" above the shoulder harness lays when stored and directly to the left of the drivers seat back. Is there a way to patch it ? I don't expect something that no one will notice. Even though that would be nice, but not realistic. Just something that's not as obvious as a frikkin hole !!  I don't know if a mouse did it, or if its rot. 




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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014 - 10:22:07 PM »
Get rid of mouse............. 1st    :22yikes:
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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014 - 08:49:11 AM »
That car deserves a nice new headliner.  They aren't expensive.  Make it a winter project.  Get rid of the mouse first though.

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014 - 09:08:35 AM »
I have taken a blue jean patch that had sticky stuff on the back, rolled it up pushed it in the hole, unrolled it and got it to stick to the back side of the headliner.
I put a string through the patch in the middle so I can apply down ward force when you get it unrolled inside the headliner.
Then I used a black upholstery glue, gunk stuff. It was black.  Put it on the patch area and slightly over lap on the headliner. 
then the patch works from both sides. 
cut the string off when the gunk dries.  It was a little shiney, but I didn't look for too long to find something that would dry dull.

That's my two cents on how I have fixed one headliner before. 
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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014 - 10:52:16 AM »
If the headliner is original or old, chances are it will be very thin and brittle and easy to tear. 

Whatever you choose to do, be careful of poking at the hole as it could tear very easily.  Old headliners, due to age, heat and changing temps/humidity, are like paper

Yes, headliners are cheap, but shops tend to charge allot to  install them.   

Replacing it is a job you can do yourself, but it is not as easy as you might think. Getting all the wrinkles out isnt as easy as some posts might seem.
Using hairdryers, heat guns, etc, will get some out if they are mine, but they aren't miracle workers

I did my own vynil top, and to me at least, that was WAY easier than the headliner

Ok, that being said:  Headliners, being fairly cheap, give it a try.  It doesnt take special tools, and contact cement is very cheap

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-Contact cement.  Try a little on spare cloth first to see how it handles.  Its easy to work with, but can get really messy, and if you get it on the headliner where you don't want it, its VERY hard to remove and looks like hell. 
   Follow the cement manufactorers instructions on how to apply it!

-Remove the front and rear seats, center console before you start.  It gives you room to move around and makes the job way easier, and you wont accidentally damage those items by moving around.  It also allows room for another person to help you:  Removing the old headliner and insulation is pretty messy, but straight forward

BE CAREFUL you don't damage the headliner bows.  Also, NUMBER them as you remove them.  They go back in a certain order

-Your best friends are the various rows of small "saw teeth" you will see mounted in various areas on the inside of the sides of the roof, especially in the rear area.  They will allow you to pull and tighten the headliner, and then you will hook the material there to hold it in place:  Critical in removing wrinkles.  Be careful when pulling on the old headliner trying to remove it in these areas:  You dont want to tear off these sawteeth

Bottom line: Removing the old, you should take your slow time in doing it, just as you would in installing the new one 

-Also take allot of pics, or at least number the backs of each headliner and window trim piece.  Some of these parts tend to look the same, and will simplify reinstallation
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-Dont trim the new headliner too small. Its very easy to do.  Save and excess for patch jobs in the future if needed


-When you remove the old headliner, reinstall all overhead seat belt bolts, seat belt hangar bolts, suit hanger hooks,overhead light, etc BEFORE you install the new one.  Just the bolts, not the actual hangars or light assembly.  Stretch the new headliner tight and completely install it.

This will then allow you to see and feel where these items need to have a hole in the new headliner.  Then you just cut a very small "x" over the bolt, just enough to barely expose the bolt head/mount location.  Believe it or not, it works, and just trying to feel thru the new material for the old bolt hole locations doesn't work.   SAVE THE OVERHEAD LIGHT FOR LAST.  Tugging left/right, front/ rear, tightening, will really move this location.  I save this item location as the very last thing I do, even after installing all the trim pieces

This is also a great time to clean up, repaint all the trim pieces.  Dont force removal/installation:  A lot of these pieces arent available repro. You will need a small, stubby, philips head screw driver for access to some of the trim screws.  Some will be hard to remove

Be mentally prepared to see rust around the inside rear window  If you do, and its just surface in nature, apply a good rust preventative now

DO REPLACE THE ROOF INSULATION.  Dont reinstall a new headline w/o one.   You will really roast in the summer and it will wear out a headliner

Using a hair dryer or heat gun for the final touch.  They arent miracle workers and typically only work on small wrinkles.  Be careful here:  Its very easy to heat damage the material, and once you do, its pretty much ruined


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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014 - 11:32:43 AM »
The perforated material is harder to get the wrinkles out of but it's cheap.  The Yorkshire material on my 73 is a piece of cake to get the wrinkles out of.  It's expensive though.

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2014 - 03:38:14 PM »
I would cut a piece of extra headliner that is behind the upper trim.Pull the headliner away and glue the piece and stick it on from the back side.

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2014 - 04:03:44 PM »
The perforated material is harder to get the wrinkles out of but it's cheap.  The Yorkshire material on my 73 is a piece of cake to get the wrinkles out of.  It's expensive though.

Legendary says their material is fine pembrook.  Is that similar to yorkshire?  I can't find a yorkshire headliner.

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2014 - 05:00:36 PM »
Yorkshire was used in 73 and 74.(maybe 72...don't remember)  Legendary doesn't sell it.  I bought mine from Dante.  It was $150 if I remember correctly.  I'm not sure who the supplier was.  SMS also sells one.  Theirs is more correct but it was over $200.  Yorkshire looks a lot like corduroy. 

Yorkshire and perforated side by side.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/6814473-DSCF0549.JPG
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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2014 - 05:12:39 PM »
Good ideas thanks Docmel,
I have a 73 Cuda with the plain black ribbed type headliner, 4 bow. I would like to replace it, who has the absolute best quality replacement to replicate the original please, price is not an issue, I want the best.

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2014 - 08:50:59 PM »
I just listed your options in my post above. The SMS headliner is a dead nuts match to the original Yorkshire material. It might even be NOS. The one I got from Dante is thicker then original and is IMO a better material. Once it's installed, it looks just like factory. You can pull on it without worrying if it will rip. I was able to rip the SMS sample a lot easier.

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2014 - 09:06:48 PM »
Thanks Burdar, I did notice that link but never had a chance to take a look, now I have its what I have, the Yorkshire for sure, I'll check out both Dante and SMS, appreciate it

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Re: Fix small hole in headliner ?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2014 - 09:42:42 PM »
I got a yorkshire from Dante and had it professionally installed. It looks awesome. A bit more $ than doing it myself but it looks so good I have no regrets.
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