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Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« on: September 23, 2014 - 01:21:40 PM »
Been reading a lot about the Hotchkis TVS system and I'm going to start installing it piece by piece as budget allows. A 440 is in the works and I was planning on running TTi headers but I've read they don't fit with the Hotchkis tubular upper control arms, is this true? If so, what are my options for headers if I eventually went with the full Hotchkis TVS setup. Will any of the other components in the Hotchkis TVS setup cause fitment issues?
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2014 - 01:36:43 PM »
Upper control arms will be no where near your headers.  The problem comes if you're running a fast ratio pitman/idler arm.  Those are known to interfere with some headers.
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014 - 01:39:20 PM »
Yeah the uppers are outside of the engine bay, couldn't possible interfere
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2014 - 01:43:25 PM »
Upper control arms will be no where near your headers.  The problem comes if you're running a fast ratio pitman/idler arm.  Those are known to interfere with some headers.
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Think you mixing up the fast ratio pitman/idler with control arms.

If they did interfere, you got BIG problems.... :bigsmile:
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2014 - 01:59:00 PM »
Ah crap yea, I'm looking at a bunch of Firm Feel products also. Do most stay with the stock pitman/idler arms or do they go a different route in terms of headers and fitment?
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2014 - 08:03:46 PM »
Ah crap yea, I'm looking at a bunch of Firm Feel products also. Do most stay with the stock pitman/idler arms or do they go a different route in terms of headers and fitment?
Personally, I decided to stay away from the fast ratio pitman/idler arms and keep the stock pieces
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2014 - 08:13:47 PM »
Good to know, thanks. Did you go with the majority of the hotckis kit, how do you like it?
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2014 - 11:09:55 PM »
I have the Hotchkis UCA's on my Challenger. They're nice pieces, but I don't think I would run heims on the street again. They're the only UCA that relocates the front pivot point to improve the camber and bump steer curves, but that does make them pretty time consuming to adjust since the front pivot can only be moved with the heim adjustment since there's no camber bolt. That means a few trips to the alignment rack.

I ran the heims without boots, as they were originally supplied by Hotchkis. They lasted less than 7k miles on the street before they started clicking, and I noticed some pretty significant wear on the heim joint. Hotchkis replaced them for me and supplied the boots that now come with the UCA's, so far they seem to be working. But I still don't think they'll last as long on a daily as a set of bushings would. And since my Challenger has been my only driver until recently with the addition of my Duster, the heims are a pretty decent headache for not a lot of gain compared to polyurethane bushings that most other tubular UCA's run. I'm sure on the track it would be a more noticeable difference, but I spend the vast majority of my time on the street.

Just my observations. For a weekend or fair weather car they'd probably never be an issue. Logging 10k miles a year in all weather conditions they wear pretty quickly, and changing them even occasionally is a pain. The rest of the Hotchkis parts are great, although I'm not really sure that the tubular steering arms and heims instead of tie rod ends are necessary either. I upgraded to solid tubular adjusters with the standard ends, they're pretty bombproof. The only significant amount of flex there is in the adjusters anyway, not the tie rod ends.
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Re: Hotchkis TVS - Tubular Upper Control Arms - Header fitment?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014 - 12:44:50 PM »
Good to know, thanks. Did you go with the majority of the hotckis kit, how do you like it?
No, I didn't go with the Hotchkis kit. I was just looking at the fast ratio arms and decided not to use them because they reduced clearance to the headers.
I thought the hotchkis arms were toooo  pricey and just used moog offset bushings in the stock uca's to improve caster.
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