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Offline cudabob496

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Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« on: October 04, 2014 - 11:27:50 PM »
Been hearing lately that solid roller cams are only for race, and not street, and prone
to failures, like little needle bearings spinkeled thoughout your engine. Any truth to this?
A racer told me that I should be worried, with 40,000 miles on my roller cam.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2014 - 03:16:45 AM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2014 - 11:52:23 AM »
It's been said since at least the seventies that roller cams themselves are relatively bullet proof but the roller lifters should receive regular inspection & be rebuilt by the manufacturer every couple years or if street driven max about 5000 miles.....   

Modern cars run rollers with zero maintenance & that has guys thinking the aftermarket stuff should be the same... But valve spring pressures & cam profiles on OE stuff is nothing like hotrod stuff..... If you've gotten 40K out of a set without failure you've got a pretty mild roller, you've been lucky & you may well be on borrowed time... If nothing has failed the cam itself should be 100% fine but at the very least pull the lifters & closely inspect the rollers, look for axial or side play, any signs of roughness... It would be a good idea to replace the lifters, I'd use the same pt # as these have obviously given good service and you know they fit & match up with your pushrods & other valve train components...  After replacement if your lifters can be rebuilt have the manufacturer rebuild them & set them aside to be swapped back in when needed...
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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014 - 12:45:48 PM »
solid rollers can starve for oil if idled a lot

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014 - 06:04:48 PM »
Any rollers without HIPPO (High Pressure Pin Oiling) is a desaster waiting to happen IMHO.

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014 - 09:42:02 PM »
Any rollers without HIPPO (High Pressure Pin Oiling) is a desaster waiting to happen IMHO.

so, which brands have HIPPO?
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2014 - 06:08:32 PM »
so, which brands have HIPPO?
Sorry I don't know...... 

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2014 - 06:10:30 PM »
Sorry I don't know......

hmmm, haven't heard lately that it has happened?
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014 - 07:44:25 PM »
I believe it has already been said, but street conditions, particularly at idle under 1200 rpm or so, is hard on a solid roller because of lack of oil to the bearings.

Comp Cams Elite series provides pressurized feed to the bearings as does the Crower HIPPO, and I think the Isky EZX which are very expensive but very well liked.

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2014 - 08:12:26 PM »
I believe it has already been said, but street conditions, particularly at idle under 1200 rpm or so, is hard on a solid roller because of lack of oil to the bearings.

Comp Cams Elite series provides pressurized feed to the bearings as does the Crower HIPPO, and I think the Isky EZX which are very expensive but very well liked.

I've got a 14 year old Crower solid roller, but don't know if its HIPPO
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2014 - 10:21:03 PM »
Also there is a company called MRL. They make shrouded solid rollers with oiling and my last message from him he stated no failures in sprint cars running 7000 all the time
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Re: Failure of Solid Roller Cams
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014 - 10:08:19 AM »
Thanks for the reminder. I have my old ones sitting in a box in my garage. I need to send them in to be rebuilt so I can have then at the ready when needed.  :2thumbs:
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