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SRT8 Charger
« on: October 05, 2014 - 11:37:25 AM »
Sorry if this was asked previously. Would it be worth it to buy a SRT8 Charger (used or wrecked) to Frankenstein with my 73 Cuda or would it be to much of a waste?
Doug
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2014 - 01:45:45 PM »
If you are talking like a body swap. I've got a few threads in my favorites that cover what I think you are talking about. One in particular involves a superbird clone being swapped onto an Srt8 floor/chassis.

Most of the time guys cut down the floor pans/frame of the chargers/magnums/300c,  weld them into the E bodies.

That way they get the modern suspension, dash, rust proofing, seats, engine, trans, harness etc.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014 - 02:16:40 PM »
Is that easier than swapping components? Right now I'm down to a shell trying to figure out how to proceed. Seems to me that buying a donor, everything is there and working, that should be more cost effective.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2014 - 12:10:58 AM »
Is that easier than swapping components? Right now I'm down to a shell trying to figure out how to proceed. Seems to me that buying a donor, everything is there and working, that should be more cost effective.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,101925.175.html
http://mopar5150.com/68charger.html
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7354411&page=1&fpart=4&vc=1
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?1121-B-Body-stiffening/page17
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=158964
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=53074

Those are every thread I could find online that discusses the project, in my hours of research.  They are not ebodies, but it gives enough of an idea to figure it out.

I am in the same boat as you, essentially a rolling shell.

Figure $4-$8k for a slightly wrecked, charger, challenger, 300 c or magnum. You then have all new suspension, transmission, wiring, interior parts if you can modify them.

When you factor all the prices for purchasing e body stuff, or a new motor/trans for an ebody the cost quickly exceeds the above dollar value.

The only caveat is that you should have some pretty good fab skills.


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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2014 - 07:22:33 AM »
Down the road what the car is worth might be a factor? I'd say an original would be worth more?  :dunno:
Around my neck of the wood emissions laws and testing would come into effect too. Not so on an original.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2014 - 02:24:12 PM »
Down the road what the car is worth might be a factor? I'd say an original would be worth more?  :dunno:
Around my neck of the wood emissions laws and testing would come into effect too. Not so on an original.



I think the typical trend is that you have have whatever running gear/engine you want in a car and you can still choose to utilize the old year vin tag.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2014 - 10:04:27 PM »
Thanks for the info, Fabrication I'm not afraid of. I guess I should start with some measurements to see what I'm getting into! Also the car started life as a 318 Barracuda, not worth much yet!
Doug
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2014 - 07:33:14 AM »
What all are you looking to swap over? If it's just the engine and trans, I wouldn't waste the effort of having to acquire another vehicle and parting it out.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2014 - 07:50:19 PM »
After seeing the superbird, seems it would be easier that way than trying to mount the newer suspension on an old frame, newer motor with all related wiring, plus I would get a lot of the goodies that the charger has to offer. Like I said, I haven't decided yet, just weighing the options. The only thing is, I have 108" wheelbase while the charger has 120", width is relatively the same.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2014 - 12:36:31 AM »
After seeing the superbird, seems it would be easier that way than trying to mount the newer suspension on an old frame, newer motor with all related wiring, plus I would get a lot of the goodies that the charger has to offer. Like I said, I haven't decided yet, just weighing the options. The only thing is, I have 108" wheelbase while the charger has 120", width is relatively the same.

It is far cheaper to buy a rolling driving hemi powered car. Even a lightly salvaged one is ok. People that purchase crate hemis/trans are spending a whole lot of money extra that they don't need to. The same goes for engine/trans purchase alone. People know these hemis are getting popular for muscle car swaps so all of the hemis I've seen are 4-6 k. It makes more sense to me to purchase a complete car with everything you need for around that price range, that way you don't have to piece anything together, and you can take a trip to the dealer for almost everything you need.  What I like with the complete cars is you can use everything, wiring, fuel tank, mounts etc.

I've looked at all of the newer car wheel bases, the new challenger is closest at 116 inch wheel base, the rest are 118-120 iirc. The guys that do this swap on old chargers have an easier time, as their existing wheel base is bigger, so they only need to find 5 inches to cut instead of an ebodies 10 inch to match wheel base.

With the floor pan layout on the new car  you can cut it apart, remove 5" from the front pan and 5" from the rear pan. Lay the front over the rear and spot weld it. I've not seen that much, taken, but I don't see why it couldn't be done.

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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2014 - 03:32:55 PM »
Found another thread last night that looked really good.

Essentially they took a rusted out 1968 Charger, and a 2008 Charger. They got the top "body" off the 08. Then they cut the floor trunk and fire wall out of the 68. They center lined the 1968 and drove the 08 underneath it and lowered it down. They stated they did not have to cut the floor pans or anything, as the wheel base lined up. They also didn't have to modify driveshaft. 

They were using an arc welder for sheet metal and it looked like a bit of a "hack job" in that they were using really simple tools.

They also had to weld a 3" wide strip of sheet metal the length of the charger door to quarter area. This was because the 08 unibody hung lower than the 68's.

I liked this idea in that the car is turn key as soon as the body is welded down and finished. I don't know for certain what they planned, but when I was seeing them weld the front area they left the engine in place to get "spattered" by welding slag. I didn't so much like this idea. I think it would be fine for some MIG tacks/ strips with the engine covered up as best as possible. Then as soon as feasible, pull the motor to finish.

My concern with this swap on the ebody is:
How big of a strip will be needed under the door area? What about front door to front fender area? My thought is the chally has a smaller roof to floor profile than an older charger. Thus a bigger one will be needed.

What is the rear seat to door provisions like? Off the top of my head I thought there may be issues with rear seat placement and being able to use the front door. Again as I believe the challenger has a smaller body profile.  Especially given that the rear seat was meant for a rear door exit.

Given the fact that the charger has rear doors, the front seats don't fold forward. They can be modified to do so, but again another issue. An option to rectify this would be bmw conv seats, they fold forward and also have integrated shoulder belts, since the chally has no real provisions for them. New Challenger seats would work the same if you can properly secure the shoulder belts. Looks easier to fab them in for the rear seats than the front seats though.

Anyway those are my questions from all this research. I've been talking to a charger guy who did it to get some insight into the dos and donts.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2014 - 03:56:29 PM »
Saw this one at a meet this summer, don't know how they made it, but it's a really cool car.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2014 - 08:50:50 PM »
The reason I was stuck on the charger or the 300 is the both are readily available at a descent price. The cuda has a wheelbase of 108" so no matter which car I use, it will have to be cut and welded together. It just has to be done properly to keep the integrity of the chassis. I'm really beginning to think this is the way to go.
Doug
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2014 - 09:21:48 PM »
The reason I was stuck on the charger or the 300 is the both are readily available at a descent price. The cuda has a wheelbase of 108" so no matter which car I use, it will have to be cut and welded together. It just has to be done properly to keep the integrity of the chassis. I'm really beginning to think this is the way to go.

Add the magnums to your list.

But sounds like you are on the same page about it.

The above car is nicely most, but the sunroof and the outside are garbage. These cars are the best looking cars ever made, so its important to keep the exterior close to stock imho.

Good luck with your project and I'm sure we will be conversing in the future as my build is going the same direction as yours.
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Re: SRT8 Charger
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2015 - 12:36:32 AM »
Bump. Any new builds like this posted around on any of the sites? Have a couple I am watching.
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