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1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« on: February 20, 2015 - 09:52:01 PM »
I notice there is a difference in shifter rods for 1970-72 and 73-74 E body.

My question is, why are they different and are they interchangeable? I have 70 shifter and shift rods, but it looks as though the 70 rod set would interfere with the trans cross member. Do I have them installed wrong?



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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015 - 10:41:27 PM »
 :roflsmiley:  You're joking right ?
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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015 - 11:44:58 PM »
:roflsmiley:  You're joking right ?


I hope so Alan.  Yes there are different shifter rod, mainly the reverse rod, which is bent differently for the 70/71 to 72/74. 

What Allen is laughing about......is the you have the rod installed incorrectly....180 degrees off.  there is a great thread on here that shows the proper alignment and installment of the shifter rod. it take some tinkering but it is do able.

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=86395.msg933269#msg933269
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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2015 - 03:08:13 AM »
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1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015 - 06:56:31 AM »
Wow guys, I'm shocked at the response to this thread. I always thought this community to be a friendly one.

First of all, I've never had a 4 speed car before. Most of my experiences are with late model manual transmissions with internal linkages. I received my 4 speed trans setup in a trade for a built 727 I had. Everything came in boxes with no instructions. The box was such a mix match of parts, I was scratching my head. The aluminum hurst shifter spacer was an old aftermarket piece from the 70's-80's as I found from research and it looked odd. Even the trans itself is a mix of side plate, ball detent and a 73 casing. I searched until my hearts content but only managed to find what I now know to be 73-74 linkages. I just found out last night that there are differences in 70-72 and 73-74 linkages. I assumed since my shifter spacer was aftermarket performance from the old days, perhaps my rods were too? Look at the rods, they are physically different from the other ones posted in this thread.

I am very mechanically inclined and take high offense to these responses. Having been a  professional mechanic for 8 years and now a mechanical engineer with many years experience. I am more than competent. I assure you all.

I simply installed what I had and ran through the gears on the bench. Due to the ends of the rods, this was the only way it ran through all gears. Maybe my rods were bent by some event along the way.

Anyway,  I have been a member of this board since 2011. I expected more class from it's members. This isn't moparts.


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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2015 - 08:50:24 AM »
Go to archives a833 info it has all info you will need.

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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2015 - 09:13:46 AM »
Jeepers...sorry if I hurt your feelings.....I just looked at your second picture late last night and I've never laughed out loud as much before. my apologies. :drunk:


All your rods appear to be incorrect. PG Classics sells the correct rods, that's if you even have the correct shifter. :2cents:
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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2015 - 10:09:43 AM »
Alan, I didn't mean to get all butthurt. I was annoyed at being mocked for a honest question. I am inexperienced with 4 speed linkages, I'm only 30 and didn't grow up with these cars. Even the links posted all refer back to the later model shift rods.

I assume the shifter is factory 70 hurst as it has no throw stop adjustments and the shifter slides in as opposed to bolting in. However, the truth is in the numbers, which I will check soon. I'm surprised at how different the rods are. Does anyone remember an aftermarket shifter setup from back in those days that may be similar? Specifically, check out the 3-4 rod. It has the sharp bend near the shift lever on the case. Very odd.


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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2015 - 04:22:14 PM »
Brewers has everything you need

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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2015 - 10:55:20 AM »
Let's see if this will help.  I have 2 factory originals that are black in the picture and the silver ones are after market.   The reverse rod is different from 73 and up.  You can see that it has a loop type bend to it.  They had a write up in Mopar Muscle magazine on 4 speed shifters and linkage for ebodies maybe a few months ago.


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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2015 - 11:19:34 AM »
hotrod.com has the mopar muscle article under transmission & drive train.  some good photos

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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2015 - 11:38:09 AM »
Awesome, thanks!


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Re: 1970 pistol grip shifter rod differences
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2015 - 12:40:05 PM »
Does the tranny have an aluminum case? If it does the levers are different between cast and the later aluminum transmissions.