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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #90 on: June 10, 2015 - 04:24:05 PM »
 Hurry, can't wait. :drool:




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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2015 - 10:22:39 AM »
Hurry, can't wait. :drool:

I sent you a pm.
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2015 - 09:26:08 AM »
Hi all, I was hoping it wouldn't come to this but here is the update I purchased from Danny (RTSE440UCODE). I hope you can all get through this long post. I need to break it up into 2 segments due to its length.


PART 1


 I know that many of you remember that I bought a 70 Dodge Challenger from Danny...the same Danny that posted his Challenger for sale here under the name of RTSE440UCODE. Well, here is an update of my 70 Challenger R/T SE that I bought from Danny and I want to apologize for the length but I didn't want to leave anything out. Some of you here might remember Danny selling his 70 Challenger maybe here (where I first) saw it for sale or on Ebay . The car was supposed to be "perfect". I live in the US and do not have a passport so I could not inspect the Challenger. Per Danny's description, the car was again supposed to be in perfect condition with nothing needed for the car at all except for a problem with the drivers seat bottom (which he told me about in private) not being supported very well because of it's age. Danny said that he puts a pillow between the seat bottom and the floor to support the seat bottom. I asked Danny (before I purchased it) if there was anything else wrong with the car? He emphatically said there was nothing else wrong except for a chip in the drivers door paint (which he himself caused when opening the door). I specifically asked Danny about the engine and how it ran and any unusual noises, the carb and it choking properly, the transmission and clutch, the interior and all working gauges, lights, wipers, any leaks on the ground, etc....everything and anything that I could think of. He told me that the car needs absolutely no additional work done to it at all other than what he already told me about with the seat and door. Over the course of a week or two of phone conversations with Danny, we seemed to have become friends. We had a lot of things in common and I felt comfortable with what he had told me about the car being true and since I also thought he was honest, I decided to purchase the Challenger. Turns out, I was absolutely wrong. I have purchased many cars on the internet. A 73 Mustang with 2,000 original miles, 2 low mileage Corvettes, a 75 Maverick Grabber with 20,000 original miles, and an 86 Monte Carlo SS with 2,000 original miles and every one of the sellers were totally honest with the description of their cars. Everyone was honest except for Danny. I have sold cars on Ebay and have also been totally honest with my descriptions and discussions with perspective buyers on the phone. I never want anyone coming back to me saying "you didn't tell me this or you didn't tell me that". I believe in honesty.....that's how I live my life and I like to treat people fairly and that is the way I like to be treated in return from others. I also have always like to think the best of people.
 The following is what is wrong with the Challenger:
   1. The car was delivered  from TFX and when I got in it to drive it into the garage, the clutch was not smooth acting...and when putting the clutch down to the floor, it almost pops when coming up. I learned how to drive on a stick shift and have driven them for 44 years so I know this is not normal. Something Danny never told me about when I questioned him about the transmission and clutch.
   2. The car has a very loud ticking from the passenger side and when giving it a little slight revving, the car misses. My thinking was one of the cylinders has a bad lifter, valve spring, or the cam could possibly be bad. Something Danny never told me about when I questioned him about the engine.
   3. After Danny received his full payment, he then tells me (on the phone before the car arrived) that the vinyl insert is separating from the fabric of the driver seat bottom and that he tucks the vinyl into the fabric to hide it at shows. Danny already had the money I sent him so what was I supposed to do now after I paid him? Something Danny never told me about when I questioned him about the interior.
   4. The car has a carb choke problem. The choke does not set up properly (making it hard starting) and I am not overly concerned about fixing that as it shouldn't require much work. Something Danny never told me when I questioned him about the carb and the choke.
   5. There are numerous leaks underneath car when left parked. I have seen three. I have noticed that one is from the rear drivers shock. The car sits too low to see where the other leaks are coming from, but when I backed the car out...it seemed like one of the other leaks was where the rear main is. But again, something Danny never told me about when I questioned him about leaks under the car.
 On the positive, the Challenger is beautiful...I will say that about it. The body, engine compartment, and underneath are pristine. But, now with the engine work that will need to be done, how will the engine compartment and engine look when that's all done? I'm sure this is why Danny didn't do anything to really fix the engine problems because of that very reason...it might screw up the looks of the engine bay.
 The engine is my main concern, then the seat, then the clutch, the leaks, and lastly the carb. All I can say is Danny was less than 100% honest with everything and took advantage of me because I wasn't there to see and hear the car myself. He was very deceitful and I'm really trying to be nice here with my choice of words. With Danny telling me about the seat vinyl/fabric separation after he received all of his money and never telling me about the engine, clutch, leaks, or carb at all and letting me find that out on my own. I ask you, what kind of person does this. Does he have any scruples or morals?
 After I received the Challenger, I calmly called Danny and asked him about the loud engine tick and the clutch. I didn't want to fully confront him until I had a clear head and also had a mechanic look and listen to the car. He told me that he knew about the engine tick but he was never overly concerned about it. He told me that he and his mechanic took the valve cover off 2 or 3 years ago (Danny has owned the Challenger for 5 years) and the mechanic told him to leave it alone or put spacers (?) on to quiet down the noise of the lifter. Danny also told me that when he drove the Challenger, he would occasionally speed shift it and the engine held up fine so why worry about it? I ask you, why would anyone ever want to speed shift a numbers matching 45 year old show car and take a chance of missing a shift and breaking something and then not having a total numbers matching car anymore? Maybe it's just me but I think that is just wrong. You are all car guys and I'm sure know what I'm saying, I then asked about the clutch and he said that when he first got the Challenger the clutch was terrible...much, much worse than it is now. He spent hours trying to adjust it but this was the best he could get it. I know that the clutch is not right but Danny told me to just leave it alone because it won't get adjusted any better.
 




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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2015 - 09:26:42 AM »
PART 2

Almost 3 weeks ago I was able to bring the Challenger to a recommended mechanic that works at the local Dodge dealership. He also works on race cars with his brother after hours. He listened to the engine, heard the loud tick-tick-tick and came to the same conclusions that I did. He also felt the clutch and feels there is a problem there too and it may be a problem with worn bushings or the pressure plate. He is going to do all of the mechanical work for me at his brothers garage. I don't know him so I just hope he's good and will take care of the car. Good thing is that I can be there with him when he works on it. Although he sounds good, he has not done any work yet and I think he is having second thoughts because of the possibility of messing up that perfect engine compartment.

 After talking to the mechanic I called Danny and finally didn't have to hold all this in anymore and had a nice talk with him. I was very calm and cordial. I told Danny that I was very disappointed in him because of his being less than honest with me and that I felt that I was deceived. I told him that I thought we had a developed a friendship and that he had gained my trust. He was very quiet and admitted that he was less than honest and even apologized. I asked him if he would pay for the work and parts for the Challenger and he said no. His reasoning was that I got a good deal on the car and he was not going to pay for anything. I told him that the price I paid was supposed to be for a turn key car in "perfect" condition...which it is not. I then said that I would be willing to cover the first $1,000 of the bill and he still refused. Why would he refuse that offer...especially if I am paying the first $1,000? My thinking is that he knows or thinks that the engine needs more work than just the top end. After talking to him some more he finally reluctantly agreed to cover any charges over $1,000...but his agreeing to paying was totally unbelievable and I felt that he just wanted to get off the phone with me. To be able to continue our friendship I was willing to pay the first $1,000 and I feel that I am being more than fair.....and he balked at that.

 All I can say is that if Danny would have told me about the engine noise....I would have walked away and never would have considered buying the car. I told him that too. And...that's just the engine nixing the deal for me. Adding the problems with the seat, the clutch, the carb choke, and the leaks and I would have ran away from it. BTW...The seats are all original and I can't find any NOS materials or NOS seat covers. I'm really stuck. I either keep the original seats with a ripped drivers seat or I replace all of them so they all match.

 When I purchased the Challenger, I promised my wife that this would be my last muscle car because this is what I always wanted. This is the most expensive car that I have ever purchased and it should have been a GREAT day and experience for me when it arrived. Well...it wasn't. I think about this all the time now, and am losing a lot of sleep too. I had to finally tell my wife what happened and that wasn't easy either, especially since our friends have always asked (throughout the years) "how can you buy a car on the internet without seeing it? My answer always was that I have lengthy discussions with the sellers, ask the right questions, but mainly that I consider myself a pretty good judge of character. Now, after years and years of being able to trust people at their word...that's changed. Thanks Danny for everything and making me look and feel pretty stupid.
 
  The update to this is that I am getting no where with the mechanic. I think he is afraid of touching the car. Knowing this and now wondering how long it will take to get all of these issues fixed in this small town, I talked to Danny today and discussed these matters with him. I told him that I would like him to make this right because he was not honest with me. I started to tell him that he can either buy the Challenger back for what I paid for it or he can send me $5,000 for me to put in the bank (in an interest bearing account to be paid to him) to be used towards fixing the Challenger as time goes on. I was going to tell him that any unused money would be returned to him but he hung up the phone on me. I'm asking for money up front now because I don't trust him at all anymore. I'm very honest and I'm not looking to make one dime off of this guy....I just want him to pay for the issues that he flat out lied about. I just feel that he sent me a car that is certainly not as he described. It's the principle of the thing for me. Anyway, he hung up the phone on me and will not answer my return calls. So, I was totally right with my concern about his sincerity about him ever helping with the costs.

       
   He lied and shows no remorse except saying he is sorry. I'm 63 with some medical issues and really didn't need all of this. I'll tell you all that he is not someone that you would ever want to trust or want to buy a car or anything from.

   One thing I have learned is that a car should never be purchased on the internet unseen. I did good up till now but have learned a lesson here.
   
    Any ideas or comments? Please PM me.

   Thanks for taking the time to read this.
 
    Craig



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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2015 - 09:43:27 AM »
I'm sorry but I meant to finish up with you can pm me or reply here. Thanks

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2015 - 11:25:51 AM »
What's done is done.

I spent the better part of my life being an injustice collector - always trying to ensure crap was "right".

I was wasting my time.   You can only control what you do - and better yet ... how you react.

Recent diagnosis of stage3 cancer helped put **** into perspective for me ... and it's still hard not to want to face plant jerks - or people I perceive as jerks .... but I can't change them ...

All I can do is take what comes at me and react in a way that is good for me and those around me.

We bought our car supposedly in "pristine" condition ... found leak in gas tank grommet that someone thought was fixable with plumbers tape .... had wrong lower radiator hose hanging on k-member ... had un-grounded switch panel ..... had paint come off under side of hood ..

I was so pissed I wanted to drive to where I got it and ... well ....

But the deal was done ..... I fixed it ... got to learn about my car ..... and moved on .... and its a blast now ...

These car's will never be perfect .... there's people who don't think like we do .... that's life ....

Get it fixed ... drive it ... have a ball ... expect crap to happen once in a while ... fix it .... enjoy it ... and don't sweat what you cannot control ....;)
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2015 - 12:21:49 PM »
It is true what is done is done.  Nevertheless, the seller should have been up front with the negative issues.  I noticed that the seller deleted his postings here.  The shame is all on him.  He is no different than a lying Thug. 

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2015 - 12:46:51 PM »
I agree that what's done is done. But, I don't feel good about it because he was a guy I trusted and until now I always considered myself a good judge of character. I've sent him a letter and am hoping he will come around and do the right thing. If he doesn't respond, I will post that letter here....and there are some enlightening things in that letter. marc70challenger, I hope you are doing well with your diagnosis. I too was diagnosed with cancer and have been in remission for 9 years now. I want to wish you the best of luck. Cancer puts everything in perspective and makes this situation minimal. You're absolutely right tman with what you said. He deleted all of his posts and I believe it's in shame. It's not like he cant's afford the money to do the right thing....he was a builder in Bolton Ontario and retired in his late 30s/early 40s.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2015 - 08:25:03 AM »
I appreciate the positive PMs. LOL...while some of the ideas are a bit extreme...I do appreciate the input.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2015 - 09:46:53 PM »
 :thumbsup:    :cheers:

Have good weekend!!!
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2015 - 11:16:04 PM »
:thumbsup:    :cheers:

Have good weekend!!!

You too. If you're in the US....have fun tomorrow.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2015 - 11:27:39 PM »
It is true what is done is done.  Nevertheless, the seller should have been up front with the negative issues.  I noticed that the seller deleted his postings here.  The shame is all on him.  He is no different than a lying Thug.

Danny has a 1970 Chevelle SS board on facebook and I am friends with quite a few of the members there. One of the guys there remembered him selling the Challenger on some other sites too. He looked at those sites and all those posts have been deleted about the car also....just like he did here. He thinks that the reason is that he knows that he misrepresented the car, and didn't want me or anyone else to call him on it.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2015 - 12:17:53 AM »
It is true what is done is done.  Nevertheless, the seller should have been up front with the negative issues.  I noticed that the seller deleted his postings here.  The shame is all on him.  He is no different than a lying Thug.

Why would one with true credibility and honesty ever delete post(s) on a car they had for sale,

UNLESS IT WAS HIS INTENT TO MISREPRESENT AND SELL A CAR TO SOMEONE THAT TOOK HIM AT HIS WORD!  IF THE GUY HAS A BACKBONE HE WILL COME BACK AND DEFEND HIMSELF, IF HE DOES NOT EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID AND POSTED WILL BE CONSIDERED THE TRUTH"

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2015 - 08:44:19 AM »
Why would one with true credibility and honesty ever delete post(s) on a car they had for sale,

UNLESS IT WAS HIS INTENT TO MISREPRESENT AND SELL A CAR TO SOMEONE THAT TOOK HIM AT HIS WORD!  IF THE GUY HAS A BACKBONE HE WILL COME BACK AND DEFEND HIMSELF, IF HE DOES NOT EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID AND POSTED WILL BE CONSIDERED THE TRUTH"

He got very uncomfortable and hung up the phone on me when I talked to him (2 days ago) because I started questioning him about certain aspects about the car. I noticed in some pics of the exterior that the Challenger had Schrader valve stem caps. I'm sure that many of you here know what they are and also know that they are expensive. I brought that up to him and he played stupid about that. I noticed that the spark plug holders in the picture seemed to be a beige in color and in my thinking might be true NOS Dodge holders. The ones on the car now are the everyday black ones. I will need to check more into that as I'm not sure what they were back in the day. Before I bought the car, he sent me a picture of the engine, carb and intake manifold with the air cleaner completely off so I could see it. He told me that Scott Smith had worked on the carb and it works perfectly. As I mentioned earlier, the carb does not work perfectly. It doesn't choke properly and it floods easily. Before buying the Challenger, I talked to Scott Smith in person at MATS and he is a real nice guy. From what I have heard about Scott Smith from others here...he does excellent work and bench tests every carb he works on. Knowing this about him....it didn't make much sense to me to be having the carb issues that I am having. So I brought my computer out to the hot garage (115 degrees) and compared the pic that Danny sent me (of the carb and engine) to the carb on the car.....just to see what was going on. The carb on the Challenger is not the same carb as the one in the picture. I confronted him about that and he got real stupid real quick and said that he didn't know what I was talking about at first. Then he started stumbling about replacing it for some reason or another but I didn't get much more out of him because he suddenly hung up on me. There are some more differences in the engine compartment also but I never had a chance to get into that with him.
 This guy is 52 years old and as I mentioned earlier, retired at an early age (late 30s-early 40s) because he made money as a builder in Bolton Ontario. I have seen pictures of his beautiful home. Why would a guy that obviously has money feel like he has to lie and basically steal from others....Yes, I feel he stole from me with his dishonesty about the car. Why would he feel the need to do a "switch-a-roo" with parts and probably sell off parts to put a few extra bucks in his pocket. That Challenger was a top show car and won many-many trophies and best of shows. I have all the score sheets and it constantly scored extremely high with barely a point taken off. The owner before Danny was consumed with putting this car together the right way....no expense spared. He spent many hours searching for original parts for the Challenger. Then you have Danny that buys the car, keeps it for 5 years, and instead of selling the car totally intact (like he bought it) for the next guy, he feels the need to make a few extra bucks with selling some of the rare parts that maybe the next owner would probably not notice were now missing. I probably would never have noticed the changed or missing parts myself but after getting the car in the misrepresented condition that it was in, I needed to dig deeper into it. SURPRISE  This guy is not good for the collector car hobby!!!
 I do have some recourse with this guy. After I got the Challenger I just merely asked about the engine noise and clutch. I didn't really make a stink about it and told him I loved the car because I didn't want him to cut ties with me until I had a mechanic look it over. I could tell by his reaction on the phone that he was relieved and that I wasn't going to be a problem for him. He then started telling me about some creative forgeries (with the docs) that he did with the Ontario DMV when he registered and paid his taxes on the Challenger. Not very smart on his part to do that to the government but even more stupid to tell someone that you just screwed over the story. He was actually boasting about it and told me how his wife didn't want him to do it but he did it anyhow using a great scanner and printer. He told me how scared he was when the agent was looking the docs over and how he almost changed his mind while in the process of doing it  He said the agent looked the paper work over and looked at him funny and he got scared and was going to tell her that he needed to leave and would come back later while taking back his forged docs with him. But he stayed the course and he laughed about how it all worked out fine in the end.
 This is the kind of guy he is.....very shady and stupid.
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2015 - 08:45:13 AM »
Sorry to hear  you didn't get what you paid for.  :(    I guess him deleting his posts speaks volumes.  >:(  Thanks for posting so other won't get caught too.  :sadwavey:
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