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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #120 on: July 11, 2015 - 10:26:35 AM »
I know I won't ever be able to drive my car to meet any of the overseas members here, but once finished I really hope to be able to do this kinda thing with fellow e-body owners here in Oz.

Yep, in this situation, like Alan said, anyone willing to accept money should man -up and make reparations if things are contentious.

that said, I didn't quite just need new rings and a refreshed fuel system on the T/A as implied, but was prepared for a lotta work, so I won't complain

I still haven't heard a peep from Danny (RTSE440UCODE). He has buried his head in the sand in hopes that I'll forget about what he did and that I'll go away. His reluctance to call or contact me in some way tells me and the others here and on his Chevelle SS board about his lack of character. I have been laying low in hopes of Danny thinking things over and finally doing the right thing. It seems like he has no conscience and a little bit of money is more important to him than his integrity. I guess I will now have to go further with this guy and I really didn't want to do that.




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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #121 on: July 11, 2015 - 10:37:21 AM »
It was a pleasure to meet you and finally to get a look at the new ride. Very good looking car and it should bring you much enjoyment when you get it the way you want. Thanks for the cool refreshments, :cheers: I had a very nice cruise up and back and noticed I doubled the mileage on the new ride  after getting back to the house. LOL, but I did not get it to keep it in a glass box. Let me know that you find on the rear surround trim. I bet Alan might even be able to clear up our observation.

See you later in the fall, or possibly at the Fall Fling if you go.


Great looking car you drove up in. It's always nice to take a nice drive in a super nice car. After you left I re-looked at the pics of the car in the black book that was given to me with the car. I did see a pic of Danny and the previous owner standing at the back of the car and the trim is indeed silver. I know yours is black on your R/T SE. When we were talking about it here, I actually thought this was something else that Danny did a "switch-a-roo" on but after seeing the picture....I think that the SE option makes it silver. I know that the previous owner (before Danny) was very-very meticulous and would have had everything correct on the car. If Alan is around....say hi so I can bring this up to you.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #122 on: July 11, 2015 - 12:32:36 PM »
The rear trim panel on R/T SE Challengers according to many self proclaimed experts were always Silver Textured Argent.....
 However there is a fair number of old timers who owned these cars back in the day that say some of the cars had that trim panel painted black....   
The experts will point to the parts manual & correctly say there is no separate part number for a black trim panel like there is for the silver vs black grill...
However the group that claims some were delivered with a black trim panel point out there are many other production line parts that aren't shown in the parts manual...
FWIW my uncle bought his R/T SE new off Swift Dodge's lot in 1970 & I bought my R/T SE used off the original owner in 1975... Both had black trim panels...  The guy who bought my car new was 65 when he bought it, 70 when he sold it... I seriously doubt he changed anything...
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #123 on: July 11, 2015 - 01:10:59 PM »
The rear trim panel on R/T SE Challengers according to many self proclaimed experts were always Silver Textured Argent.....
 However there is a fair number of old timers who owned these cars back in the day that say some of the cars had that trim panel painted black....   
The experts will point to the parts manual & correctly say there is no separate part number for a black trim panel like there is for the silver vs black grill...
However the group that claims some were delivered with a black trim panel point out there are many other production line parts that aren't shown in the parts manual...
FWIW my uncle bought his R/T SE new off Swift Dodge's lot in 1970 & I bought my R/T SE used off the original owner in 1975... Both had black trim panels...  The guy who bought my car new was 65 when he bought it, 70 when he sold it... I seriously doubt he changed anything...

Hi 1 Wild....thanks for your interest and input. I'm wondering if this could go either way....Black or Silver Textured Argent. There are two R/T SE Challengers on Ebay now and both have the Silver Textured Argent. One of the Challengers is supposedly all original. Also, the owner before Danny really did his homework on this car. I seriously doubt that he would have let something like this slip. I know that the R/T was black and the SE was Silver Textured Argent....combine the two options and ????? It's hard to
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #124 on: July 13, 2015 - 11:27:49 AM »
Someone had posted several links  to this discussion on the Facebook Chevelle page.  All of them were deleted.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #125 on: July 13, 2015 - 11:42:16 AM »
Someone had posted several links  to this discussion on the Facebook Chevelle page.  All of them were deleted.

Thanks Steve for letting me know. A member on the Chevelle site sent me a pm on fb and also just let me know.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #126 on: November 07, 2015 - 05:48:37 PM »
Well....an update to my 70 Challenger R/T SE that I purchased earlier this year. I have sold the Challenger and it left today for a new home. I loved the car but as many of you are aware, I could not find anyone in this small town to work on the numerous problems that I was stuck with. Unlike the owner before me, I was totally honest about everything with the buyer right from the start. I was totally upfront and I didn't want him to find out "after the fact" about the problems like I did. That's absolutely no fun. All I can say is here are some words of advice. When buying a car don't ever trust what someone tells you over the phone. Talk is cheap. Go and see the car for yourself or see if there is someone in the area that can go and check out the car for you. I have learned a valuable lesson here and just as important, I do believe in Karma.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #127 on: November 07, 2015 - 05:58:15 PM »
This just a bad story all around. I hope you were able to get most of your money back out of the car....

I'll sell you my AAR Cuda for a really good price, but only if you have it inspected first :2thumbs:
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #128 on: November 07, 2015 - 06:59:41 PM »
Sorry to hear that, but it might be for the best. Hope you find the classic Mopar of your dreams without any problems  :2thumbs:

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #129 on: November 07, 2015 - 09:33:45 PM »
This just a bad story all around. I hope you were able to get most of your money back out of the car....

I'll sell you my AAR Cuda for a really good price, but only if you have it inspected first :2thumbs:

Alan, yes it was a bad story. But I can't say it was a bad story all around as it was really just a bad story for myself only. I'm glad that I can now close this chapter in my life. After totaling the price of the car, shipping, taxes here in Utah, and what I paid a mechanic to come to the house to replace the rocker arms, I didn't lose anything. But the main thing here is that I sold the car the correct way....with full disclosure and with a clear conscience.
Thanks for the offer of the AAR Cuda but I've already found something. Yep.....another Mopar.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #130 on: November 07, 2015 - 09:37:32 PM »
Sorry to hear that, but it might be for the best. Hope you find the classic Mopar of your dreams without any problems  :2thumbs:

Thanks TelisSe440 for the kind words.

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #131 on: November 07, 2015 - 09:59:07 PM »
Great to see you back on the site, missed your comradely here. I bet it is a real sad day to see the car that you bought that was supposed to be a top class restoration leave. It was really great meeting you last summer and the ice cold refreshments I consumed while drooling over your new purchase. It is unfortunate that the switcher-roo guy (Danny) misrepresented the car to you. I was in Vegas at the time and drove up to see this car and don't get me wrong, it is a fantastic looking car, but so much was not disclosed about the car and only a in person inspection would full disclose what the issues were and we talked about them in length that day.

I could not believe the seller actually swapped out the numbers carb for a POS that was on the car when it arrived at your door.  In my opinion, you paid for a number 1 car, but this Danny guy only sent a car rated at a number 2 (solid number 2) , or at the most a 1.8. I read his description of the car before he deleted his posts in an obvious attempt to hide his less than honest transaction. If he had nothing to hide, why did he erase his entire existence on this forum. I sure hope the moderators and the site owner will do something on ads from this point forward, and not let them be wiped from the site as this one was.

Obviously the guy you sold the car to was more than up to speed of the car, as it is loaded up and ready for a road trip. I am sure he is happy with the car and probably has more resources locally where he lives than what is available in St. George.

So, with it all said and done, did you make out all right on the sell. No one, who is a true car guy likes to hear or see about a deal gone south.

If you are still in the market for "nice" survivor, I may be putting my Dealer Promo car up for sale next spring.

Drop in a little more often, if nothing else, just to say hi!!

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #132 on: November 08, 2015 - 10:18:03 AM »
Great to see you back on the site, missed your comradely here. I bet it is a real sad day to see the car that you bought that was supposed to be a top class restoration leave. It was really great meeting you last summer and the ice cold refreshments I consumed while drooling over your new purchase. It is unfortunate that the switcher-roo guy (Danny) misrepresented the car to you. I was in Vegas at the time and drove up to see this car and don't get me wrong, it is a fantastic looking car, but so much was not disclosed about the car and only a in person inspection would full disclose what the issues were and we talked about them in length that day.

I could not believe the seller actually swapped out the numbers carb for a POS that was on the car when it arrived at your door.  In my opinion, you paid for a number 1 car, but this Danny guy only sent a car rated at a number 2 (solid number 2) , or at the most a 1.8. I read his description of the car before he deleted his posts in an obvious attempt to hide his less than honest transaction. If he had nothing to hide, why did he erase his entire existence on this forum. I sure hope the moderators and the site owner will do something on ads from this point forward, and not let them be wiped from the site as this one was.

Obviously the guy you sold the car to was more than up to speed of the car, as it is loaded up and ready for a road trip. I am sure he is happy with the car and probably has more resources locally where he lives than what is available in St. George.

So, with it all said and done, did you make out all right on the sell. No one, who is a true car guy likes to hear or see about a deal gone south.

If you are still in the market for "nice" survivor, I may be putting my Dealer Promo car up for sale next spring.

Drop in a little more often, if nothing else, just to say hi!!


Hey Grant. Nice to hear from you. I was very lucky and made out fine with selling the car. It was tough to see the Challenger go because I really liked the car a lot, but in this small town it's nearly impossible to get the items that needed to be fixed taken care of. After I received the car from Don Tarquini and saw the problems, I contacted one of the previous owners to get his perspective on everything. He's the person that helped me and filled in the blanks on some of the items that were possibly not up to snuff. He told me that the engine had a ticking and that the clutch also acted strangely when he sold it. So those problems existed and had been with the car for a long time. He said that the seat was fine with no problems and that there was no rip by the seam when it left him. He asked if the Shraders were still on the car and they were not. No big deal there because I purchased another set on Ebay and they didn't cost me a ton of $$$. We talked about the carb (that was now on the car) because I could see that it was not the same one by comparing it to the older pics that I had of the carb. He gave me a lot of insight on that too. I called Scott Smith and gave him the carb number of the carb that was now on the car because I couldn't find it anywhere. He said that it was a generic carb made somewhere around 77 or 78 to fit all years. The carb that should have been on the car is a 4740 which is a rare carb that's made for 70 Challenger 440 M/T (California - ECS) and worth a lot of $$$. Scott said that the carb on the car is a dime a dozen maybe worth $75-$100.
 Anyhow...the new owner was well aware of everything before he picked up the Challenger. I can't sell anything with being less than 100% honest. He's a great guy...we had a lot of fun talking cars. He's basically retired but works and builds many MOPARS....high end MOPARS. He builds them as a hobby for other MOPAR guys along with the cars that he himself owns. Many of his cars have gone through the rigorous OE inspection process. When he got here he looked over the Challenger like I have never seen before. Probably a good hour or two. He would show me this and that and say this is the wrong type of nut here....this shouldn't be painted here....this is the wrong coating here. He was extremely informative and knew his s___. What impressed him the most was the extreme amount of documentation on this car including the LA broadcast sheet. He said that less than 1% of LA built cars have them. I knew the broadcast sheet was rare but I didn't know it was that rare. I'm sure that's what sold the car and also what put a premium on it. He seems to think that the ticking problem is a lifter and he says that they can usually be replaced without taking off the intake manifold using a special tool. But in any case, he has the ability to lower the K frame and take the engine out if it requires more extensive work. He also knows people that work with auto upholstery. He's going to keep me informed on what's going on with the car as time goes on.
 Thanks for the offer of your Challenger Grant. From the pictures that you sent me, your car is a killer survivor. Right now I have something on the line. I'll see how that works out.
 I'm glad you got a chance to come out and look the Challenger over, even though we were in that hot sweltering 110 degree garage. The "refreshments" did help keep us cool but hot is still hot....lol. I also want to thank you for coming out and verifying everything for me too. Even though driving 240 miles round trip from Vegas in your new Camaro was a nice trip for you, it was a great help to me. You really know your Challengers. So something good came out of all of this....You will always be a friend.
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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #133 on: November 08, 2015 - 10:40:36 AM »
I read this whole thread last night and it was a real downer.  I'm glad you didn't end up upside-down on the car; things could have gone so much worse.  What's even more sad is I know a fella that used to actually live in St. George that, if he were still there, could've probably handled the work you needed both reasonably and with the appropriate kid gloves.  Unfortunately, he's been in Atlanta several years now.

This thread is sort of a must-read for anyone buying a car sight unseen, and I thank you for coming back and sharing this "I got duped" story with others.  The seller is obviously a dirtbag, simply based on the carburetor alone.  That's the kind of stuff you can only really check when you pick the car up yourself.  I got lucky with my car, which of course isn't a restoration and isn't high-dollar, but the owner was very honest with me and has had serious guilt pangs when issues arose of which I know he genuinely wasn't aware.  Impressive for a guy that sold me a 28' trailer full of Challenger parts (including a bunch of rust-free and repro sheetmetal) and an essentially rust-free southern car for $3,500.

Here's to your next foray being a much happier endeavor.  :cheers:

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Re: WTB: 70 Challenger T/A or Cuda AAR or 68-70 Charger
« Reply #134 on: November 08, 2015 - 11:10:37 AM »
I read this whole thread last night and it was a real downer.  I'm glad you didn't end up upside-down on the car; things could have gone so much worse.  What's even more sad is I know a fella that used to actually live in St. George that, if he were still there, could've probably handled the work you needed both reasonably and with the appropriate kid gloves.  Unfortunately, he's been in Atlanta several years now.

This thread is sort of a must-read for anyone buying a car sight unseen, and I thank you for coming back and sharing this "I got duped" story with others.  The seller is obviously a dirtbag, simply based on the carburetor alone.  That's the kind of stuff you can only really check when you pick the car up yourself.  I got lucky with my car, which of course isn't a restoration and isn't high-dollar, but the owner was very honest with me and has had serious guilt pangs when issues arose of which I know he genuinely wasn't aware.  Impressive for a guy that sold me a 28' trailer full of Challenger parts (including a bunch of rust-free and repro sheetmetal) and an essentially rust-free southern car for $3,500.

Here's to your next foray being a much happier endeavor.  :cheers:

Thanks for your reply Sinatra. I have learned a lot from this experience and will never repeat it. If my thread can educate others from making the same mistake that I made....then it's all good. Lesson learned is that you can have a great relationship with someone on the phone and trust them, but for some people....money is everything.