Help Before my Wife Kills Me

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Offline dpcd67

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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2015 - 12:25:59 AM »
I will try it. Nothing to lose.
I will change the jets and I did order the rods, based on the Edelbrock chart, and see what happens.
Yes, it runs rich all the time.
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2015 - 05:28:22 AM »
I don't think it'll make any difference.  These old cars always are going to smell as they are vented. After a long drive in the summer, no way I can park in garage and close it.
Ethanol gas vents from tank and cooks from carb.

I bought this and it works.

http://m.summitracing.com/search/part-type/fuel-system-additives/fuel-system-additive-type/fragrance

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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2015 - 05:59:39 AM »
This may be far off the mark but I'll share my experience just in case.
My '73 has always had smelly grey smoke at idle & was worse after gettin it back running some time back.
By chance one day I was trying to get a voltage reading from the original ballast resistor using a digital multimeter to answer a question here but the reading fluctuated so much I knew something was afoot.
Picked up a new Standard Ignition ballast resistor & the car immediately started easier & idled smoother, smoke diminished & while it doesn't smell anything like a newer car it isn't near as pungent 
Bottom line, if your ignition isn’t getting full voltage to you may not be burning the fuel as completely as possible.
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2015 - 11:34:07 AM »
Your suggestion is valid, but my car starts, runs, and drives perfectly and smoothly. So far, I have about half saying nothing will help and the other half saying either re-jet it or get a new carb.
 Who is right? We'll see when my JEGS order comes in Friday with the rods and jets. Then, maybe a new carb.
Believe me I know about putting it into the garage hot; I have a fan that has to blow across it for 30 minutes before I can close the door; the old woman screaming at me the whole time.....
1963 Dodge M37 (3)
1967 Dodge WM300 (2)
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Bought new in '71; I wanted the Challenger but they were $2850; too much $ so I got the 318, 3 speed on the floor, Twister Duster for $2100.
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2015 - 01:24:02 PM »


I bought this and it works.

http://m.summitracing.com/search/part-type/fuel-system-additives/fuel-system-additive-type/fragrance


Great idea, but for $15 to treat a tank of gas I think I'll pass. Maybe good to use if and when youre taking it to a big show weekend and expect to run the car a lot with people around. :dunno:
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2015 - 02:43:28 PM »
FWIW, at my altitude and using the Ebrock recommendations, I dropped all four jets and the rods down 2 stages in cruise and 2 stages in power. It was still running a bit rich at idle, so I stepped it down another set of rods and it was much improved. However, since I had raced Carters for years, I had a plethora of turning parts available to me so swapping was as easy as going to the shelf. If you have to order and wait, then it makes tuning a pain.

I also changed the step down springs to be better match to when the cruise vacuum would release them for power improvements and stepped up the squirter orifice for a better shot of gas when the hammer came down. I also spent some time dialing in the ignition system advance curve.

Net result of all this work on my last vehicle netted a dyno verified 300 horsepower and high teens for average fuel mileage.  That may not sound too impressive, but I didn't think it was too shabby for a 440 lugging around a 5000# worth of 1 ton truck at 6000' worth of altitude.

So, IMO, you can make efforts to dial in everything much better. Cam overlap does mean you may have some idle compromise, but you need to tweak it to find out where that level of compromise occurs. That means you can spend weeks changing, driving, adjusting, and verifying that you have achieved the best possible combo, or you can drop a few hundred bucks to put it on a machine to spin it up and sniff the exhaust to get the exact reading of where you are at and where your mods take to.

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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2015 - 04:26:13 PM »
It will be trial and error to see if there is any improvement. If not, will the Proform be any better?  I have sets of rods and jets on the way so I can go one or two stages leaner. If that don't work, I will get a new carb; a Proform like Chryco said.
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1967 Dodge WM300 (2)
1971 Plymouth Duster
Bought new in '71; I wanted the Challenger but they were $2850; too much $ so I got the 318, 3 speed on the floor, Twister Duster for $2100.
1973 Plymouth Barracuda
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2015 - 05:26:01 PM »
Great idea, but for $15 to treat a tank of gas I think I'll pass. Maybe good to use if and when youre taking it to a big show weekend and expect to run the car a lot with people around. :dunno:

I bought a case directly from the distributor, I only use 1/2 bottle per tank.
Been awhile, but I seem to remember it was $8/bottle, so only $4/tank.

I'm anxious to hear results after the rejetting, but I'd bet a paycheck it won't make a difference.

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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2015 - 05:42:05 PM »
I bought a case directly from the distributor, I only use 1/2 bottle per tank.
Been awhile, but I seem to remember it was $8/bottle, so only $4/tank.

I'm anxious to hear results after the rejetting, but I'd bet a paycheck it won't make a difference.
                 Personally I love the smell of raw exhaust. Matter of fact a couple of girls that like to hang at the shop sometimes always want me to crank up the pro street cars, and they smell nasty sweet.   :stirpot:  Owww that smell, can't ya smell that smell.

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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2015 - 05:57:29 PM »
Don't get me wrong; I have no problem with the smell and when driving, I can't smell it. I am just trying to get this creature I live with to stop yelling every time I fire up my car.
What I don't get, now, is that I have some guys saying it worked for them, and others saying, it won't work at all (re-jetting and rodding).
Both can't be right.
1963 Dodge M37 (3)
1967 Dodge WM300 (2)
1971 Plymouth Duster
Bought new in '71; I wanted the Challenger but they were $2850; too much $ so I got the 318, 3 speed on the floor, Twister Duster for $2100.
1973 Plymouth Barracuda
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2015 - 06:16:19 PM »
                 Personally I love the smell of raw exhaust. Matter of fact a couple of girls that like to hang at the shop sometimes always want me to crank up the pro street cars, and they smell nasty sweet.   :stirpot:  Owww that smell, can't ya smell that smell.

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But I also understand dpcd67's problem.
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2015 - 07:11:47 PM »
Thanks for the support; I will keep you posted,
1963 Dodge M37 (3)
1967 Dodge WM300 (2)
1971 Plymouth Duster
Bought new in '71; I wanted the Challenger but they were $2850; too much $ so I got the 318, 3 speed on the floor, Twister Duster for $2100.
1973 Plymouth Barracuda
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2015 - 08:29:50 PM »
Will you get it as clean as a new car? No, but thats not because the carb can't be tuned to run cleanly, thats because modern vehicles have catalytic convertors which make the stuff coming out the tailpipe cleaner than what originally went it the intake... Ok, not quite but damn close... But you can get it clean enough to not be offensive...

FWIW there are guys in the car hobby who can massage any part & make it perform it's best & there are guys who are challenged by fixing a peanut butter & jelly sandwich...   

I think Henry said it best....

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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2015 - 09:16:34 PM »
I have a 340 Cuda, built up with 9.5 to 1 compression, Comp 268H cam installed straight, ED 2406, dual exhaust, fuel regulator at 5 psi. Factory distributor.  Runs great on 93 no alcohol gas.
Here is the issue; the exhaust blows black smoke at idle and smells terrible. My wife yelled yesterday, Sell that piece of junk!. So I can't start it when she is home.
I have changed carbs, Ed 2406s with the same results. I have adjusted the idle mixture screws to minimum.  Vacuum is good; I forgot but I recall it was 15 or so.  I have changed the timing all over the place but still no change in the smoke.
Any ideas? Is this setup just prone to smoke and smell bad? Is the Edelbrock the problem?
Appreciate any suggestions.  thanks.

If you can turn the idle mixture screws all the way in and the engine still runs rich, you have unmetered fuel getting into the engine. I would get a rebuild kit, disassemble and clean the carb. Check the float level adjustment which is critical to proper tuning. Make sure  the aluminum vacuum pistons for the metering rods move freely in their bores. Verify your fuel pressure with a second gage it should be 5 to 5-1/2 psi max. Your engine coolant temp needs to be around 180 deg or so to prevent fuel puddling. The stock primary jets can be left alone and replace the metering rods with larger diameters to lean out the mixture. Easy to do from outside the carb. You should be able to turn the mixture screws in and stall the engine and out past 2 turns or so and hear the engine run rich. Correct mixture adjustment is around 1 to 1-1/2 turns out. 15 inHg isn't that bad and you should be able to tune this carb. Good luck!
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Re: Help Before my Wife Kills Me
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2015 - 09:44:28 PM »
I have completely frame off restored several old vehicles dating back to 1942, and I have no problem at all working with, and building, precision components; I have rebuilt many carbs over the years. I started driving in the mid 60s so I remember how cars of the period smell; this one is worse.  This is the second, and new, 1406 on this car and both of them were the same no matter where you put the idle screws; they are 1.5 turns out; if you turn them all the way in the engine quits..  Putting the fuel regulator on it with the second carb did not help anything and I set it, and measured it, at 5.5 psi.
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1963 Dodge M37 (3)
1967 Dodge WM300 (2)
1971 Plymouth Duster
Bought new in '71; I wanted the Challenger but they were $2850; too much $ so I got the 318, 3 speed on the floor, Twister Duster for $2100.
1973 Plymouth Barracuda
I ain't done yet.