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Offline tman

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2015 - 03:37:34 AM »
If you read the Allpar article on how it works, you are required to get the correct radiator cap for the coolant to return to the radiator.  Your current setup is just like mine w/o a recovery tank.  Mine just goes to ground and of course my radiator will be down several inches.  If you took off your cap while its hot, you will hear the pressure being released.  Once its cold, the pressure goes away.  If I installed a recovery tank, the coolant will not return to the radiator because I have a standard cap. 
Not sure how your reservoir is hooked up if the cap hose goes to the bottom or top of the recovery tank.  Bottom is easy.  If at the top, you will need some type of hose from the recovery cap to the bottom of the tank (like a straw). 
The negative pressure is minimal that will not damage gaskets.  I think you are trying to make it more complex than it really is.   




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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2015 - 08:36:03 AM »
If you read the Allpar article on how it works, you are required to get the correct radiator cap for the coolant to return to the radiator.  Your current setup is just like mine w/o a recovery tank.  Mine just goes to ground and of course my radiator will be down several inches.  If you took off your cap while its hot, you will hear the pressure being released.  Once its cold, the pressure goes away.  If I installed a recovery tank, the coolant will not return to the radiator because I have a standard cap. 
Not sure how your reservoir is hooked up if the cap hose goes to the bottom or top of the recovery tank.  Bottom is easy.  If at the top, you will need some type of hose from the recovery cap to the bottom of the tank (like a straw). 
The negative pressure is minimal that will not damage gaskets.  I think you are trying to make it more complex than it really is.

I agree, I'm over thinking it, but a Summit guy said he made a recovery system with a normal radiator cap. Just for grinns, I'll try that first.
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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2015 - 09:30:29 AM »
If the coolant leaves the radiator when the engine warms anyway, why do you need a recovery system?

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2015 - 10:27:57 AM »
Read posting #1. 

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2015 - 10:37:00 AM »
If the coolant leaves the radiator when the engine warms anyway, why do you need a recovery system?

Technically, it operates as an expansion tank.  The idea is to always have the radiator 100% full of coolant (no air) at any temperature.  That reduces the likelihood of mixing air bubbles and circulating them in the system.

As far as the cap goes, the cap for a closed system actually will have two seals. The first seal is on the spring-loaded plunger which seals down in the filler neck. The other one, usually a simple gasket, seals the cap to the TOP of the filler neck.

The radiator's overflow outlet is located between these two seals.
  • When system pressure builds, the plunger is pushed open and coolant goes past the lower seal and out the overflow tube.
  • When the system cools down, low pressure pulls the coolant back into the radiator. Without the upper gasket, fluid will still go out the overflow tube since it is lower than the top of the filler neck, but when it cools back down, air is easily sucked through this connection since it isn't sealed. That's why with a recovery system, you don't open the cap to check the level but instead check it in the overflow tank - you don't want to break that seal and allow air into the radiator.

Back in the late 60's and early 70's, coolant recovery tank kits were a popular aftermarket item. The kits consisted of a tank, some hose and a gasket to add to your old radiator cap. Once everything is in place, it will takes a few heat/cool cycles to totally purge all the air from your cooling system.

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2015 - 03:36:31 PM »
good thread... our old cars need this system...
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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2015 - 04:16:26 PM »
OK, I bought the below tank. Even BeCool radiators said if I run my overflow hose to the bottom of the tank, from a normal radiator cap, it will
fill this tank when rad is hot, then suck coolant back in when rad is cold. I'll try it with a normal cap,and see if it works.
Even if I have to find a recovery rad cap (which Jegs says they have for my car), this would be good, because my system
would stay full, and cool better, there would be less air is system which might minimize some corrosion, and I would not have to
be constantly emptying the overflow bottle, and putting coolant back in radiator.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOR-603-001-Dorman-Overflow-Recovery-Reservoir-Tank-Universal-Coolant-Antifreeze-/171726407643?hash=item27fbb107db&vxp=mtr

From dimensions, looks like tank holds about 1/2 gallon
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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2015 - 07:47:40 PM »
Cool.  Let us know if the standard cap works.  Otherwise, you can go to your parts store and just get a Gates or Stant radiator cap for around $5. 
I too do not like coolant going on to the ground, but I still want the stock look.  For now, status quo for me. 

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2015 - 10:03:28 PM »
Cool.  Let us know if the standard cap works.  Otherwise, you can go to your parts store and just get a Gates or Stant radiator cap for around $5. 
I too do not like coolant going on to the ground, but I still want the stock look.  For now, status quo for me.

But I don't know if the Gates or Stant will work for the radiator stock neck design I have now.
I'm using a Stant now, but its an OEM design for an early Cuda.
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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2015 - 10:33:12 PM »
Rockauto lists those radiator caps for 70 cuda.  If you have stock type radiator, they list these 2 that will fit.  Both of these caps are for open and closed systems.

Stant 10231
Gates 31523

You can confirm from Stant website on their parts locater 

http://www.stant.com/index.php/english/parts-locator/

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2015 - 11:38:23 PM »
Rockauto lists those radiator caps for 70 cuda.  If you have stock type radiator, they list these 2 that will fit.  Both of these caps are for open and closed systems.

Stant 10231
Gates 31523

You can confirm from Stant website on their parts locater 

http://www.stant.com/index.php/english/parts-locator/


OK, thanks. I just talked with Summit on the Stant cap, and they agree with you.  And that is the cap I presently have on my open system.
Thats why I was confused about the cap being for a closed system recovery tank as well. As I look under the cap, there is an uper rubber seal, and then there is the lower rubber plunger at the end of the spring.  In this case, looks like all we gotta do is change our overflow bottles to a recovery bottle, and we have a closed system.  I'll report back as to how its working when I get it set up. For now, fuel pressure is 4 psi, so gotta rebuild or get a new fuel pump!!
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: Coolant Recovery System
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2015 - 01:31:06 AM »
Good news for you.  The cap you have will work for both open and closed.  Stock cap is just for open.  So your cap has been replaced in the past.  EZ PZ.