Author Topic: new carb for my 440?  (Read 6795 times)

Offline all4rocks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 239
new carb for my 440?
« on: April 17, 2015 - 11:56:44 AM »
I just bought a 70 cuda with a 440 hp-2 six pac motor. engine has 600 cfm edelbrock carb. Wouldn't it perform better with a bigger one? Engine definatley has a cam but I don't know which one. which carb would work best? Where can I get a six pac setup?
« Last Edit: April 17, 2015 - 12:03:59 PM by all4rocks »




Offline cudabob496

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 8024
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2015 - 06:06:28 PM »
for the street, a 750 Holley DP,
but folks will also recommend an 850.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2015 - 07:49:41 PM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

Offline rUNCHARGER

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1169
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2015 - 10:25:11 PM »
Yep, that 600 is holding you back.

Sheldon

Offline 73440

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1826
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2015 - 10:52:42 PM »
If I added right, someone like Jegs and $2800 will get you a six pack setup.

I will be putting an original Carter 4428S on, as a baseline to see , and then maybe go from there.
Carb now is for 383 AT , have '68 440 MT.
67 440
72 413 / 727
73 Barracuda w/ 68 440
65 Plymouth Fury III , I sold ,was my Nana's car till 92 yo.
51 Ford F1 239 Flathead, flipped , new cab , stolen
59 BelAir 283 4 door original patina
01 Chevy van 420, 520 miles
06 Crown Vic Police Interceptor
75 HD Ironhead converted to RH shift
73 HD Ironhead
82 HD Ironhead
74 Norton 850
80 HD Shovelhead
80 Husqvarna WR 390

Offline all4rocks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 239
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2015 - 11:52:12 PM »
Car now has a 727 auto but im putting the factory 4 speed back in. would there be a carb difference?

Offline 73440

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1826
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2015 - 12:13:50 AM »
Original Carters had slightly different jets depending on AT or MT,
but you should always be adjusting to your particular engine , etc to what works best.
67 440
72 413 / 727
73 Barracuda w/ 68 440
65 Plymouth Fury III , I sold ,was my Nana's car till 92 yo.
51 Ford F1 239 Flathead, flipped , new cab , stolen
59 BelAir 283 4 door original patina
01 Chevy van 420, 520 miles
06 Crown Vic Police Interceptor
75 HD Ironhead converted to RH shift
73 HD Ironhead
82 HD Ironhead
74 Norton 850
80 HD Shovelhead
80 Husqvarna WR 390

Offline all4rocks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 239
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2015 - 12:22:07 AM »
I do have a street dominator manifold and a proform 780 with vacuum secondaries. Would this or a six pack setup work best?

Offline 73440

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1826
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2015 - 12:44:10 AM »
I do not know enough about it to say, there are others on here that can answer you.
67 440
72 413 / 727
73 Barracuda w/ 68 440
65 Plymouth Fury III , I sold ,was my Nana's car till 92 yo.
51 Ford F1 239 Flathead, flipped , new cab , stolen
59 BelAir 283 4 door original patina
01 Chevy van 420, 520 miles
06 Crown Vic Police Interceptor
75 HD Ironhead converted to RH shift
73 HD Ironhead
82 HD Ironhead
74 Norton 850
80 HD Shovelhead
80 Husqvarna WR 390

Offline all4rocks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 239
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2015 - 01:28:03 AM »
where is chrycho when you need him?

Offline Strawdawg

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2209
    • Vortex Buicks
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2015 - 09:42:14 AM »
It's really what you want in the end.  The Six Pack replica will probably cost you a bit more than the $2700 mentioned above by the time you get all the odds and ends required for the install. 

When it comes to bling and popularity, it will be almost impossible to top.

The 440 six pack came with a 350 cfm carb in the middle and a couple of 500 cfms on the end for a total of 1350 cfm.  That equates to approximately a 950 cfm four barrel carburetor.  The six pack intake probably is not as well balanced with regard to air flow as a modern four barrel and I think that a good 850 carb will perform right beside a well tuned six pack and probably better than the average one going down the street today.

An 850 double pumper would be my first choice as it will perform just as well as a smaller carb on the street if you learn how to use your foot when launching from low rpm.

If you are going to a manual transmission, the double pumper would work even better or if you have a higher stall converter behind the 727, the same applies.

So...if you want bling and don't mind the cost, the six pack is the way to go, imo.

If you want to save some money and simple performance is the goal, then an 850 cfm Proform double pumper would be the way to go.

Personally, I would probably install the SD with the 780 cfm Proform for the moment and put my money toward the transmission swap and other things for the moment and then go for the 850 whenever the time feels right. The 780 can handle 500+ hp when jetted right if the engine can give it to you so it should be a big improvement over the Carter.

Offline cudabob496

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 8024
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2015 - 05:29:18 PM »
sure seems like 6 packs have a lotta of tuning headaches, from reviewing
posts on this site.  Also, I think one 4 barrel can make more power.
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

Offline stinger

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 424
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2015 - 05:38:37 PM »
If it's a 6 bbl car then by all means go with the 6 but if not spend it on heads,IMO! the 780 should be a great carb for the street.

Offline all4rocks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 239
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2015 - 07:04:36 PM »
Stinger...... Post a pic of your car . I LIKE IT!

Offline 73440

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1826
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2015 - 09:34:27 PM »
I do have a street dominator manifold and a proform 780 with vacuum secondaries. Would this or a six pack setup work best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGU5s4c5hHw

boat anchor
67 440
72 413 / 727
73 Barracuda w/ 68 440
65 Plymouth Fury III , I sold ,was my Nana's car till 92 yo.
51 Ford F1 239 Flathead, flipped , new cab , stolen
59 BelAir 283 4 door original patina
01 Chevy van 420, 520 miles
06 Crown Vic Police Interceptor
75 HD Ironhead converted to RH shift
73 HD Ironhead
82 HD Ironhead
74 Norton 850
80 HD Shovelhead
80 Husqvarna WR 390

Offline stinger

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 424
Re: new carb for my 440?
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2015 - 10:28:21 PM »
Stinger...... Post a pic of your car . I LIKE IT!

Thanks!
would love to but they are all to large. :eek4: