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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2015 - 11:48:50 PM »
OK, 950 it is, but the hp numbers on a crate 752 Hemi are 625 hp and 650 torque, which
should easily be supported by an 850, and you get the 850 benefit of better throttle
response.  So, why the 950??
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2015 - 08:13:32 AM »
OK, 950 it is, but the hp numbers on a crate 752 Hemi are 625 hp and 650 torque, which
should easily be supported by an 850, and you get the 850 benefit of better throttle
response.  So, why the 950??

Not sure if it matters but the HP is 650 and TQ is 650. I just keep thinking that they put 850 thermoquads on 340s didn't they? I just want to make sure i buy the right carb the first time.
again thanks for all the imput.

Bruce
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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015 - 08:17:06 AM »
I have this carb on my 451" and love it! Best carb I've ever owned! Love the adjustability! As others have said 950 minimum on your beast.  :2cents:
http://www.quickfueltechnology.com/carburetors-q-series/q-series-carburetor-850cfm-drag-an.html
Brad
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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015 - 08:29:44 AM »
OK, 950 it is, but the hp numbers on a crate 752 Hemi are 625 hp and 650 torque, which
should easily be supported by an 850, and you get the 850 benefit of better throttle
response.  So, why the 950??

Most carb recommendations are way too conservative for our high performance applications. As mentioned, Ma Mopar put 750 cfm Thermoquads on their 340 small blacks.

The best rule of thumb I have ever heard and it flat out works is the CI of the engine times 2.

Example --  340 CI = 680 cfm.  That is for a pure stock application. If you start making performance modifications, you would need even more cfm in order for the engine to realize it's true potential.

My best buddy is running a 496 BB in a Dart. He started off with a six-pak set up, but it didn't perform like he wanted. I think the car barely cracked the low 12's. He then sold that set up and went with an 850 on a Victor intake and went 11.50. I still felt like after driving the car down the track that there was plenty more in the car. He sold the 850 and went with a 1050 Dominator and went 10.90's all day long. Using the 2 X the CI rule, his 496 should take 992 cfm in relatively stock form. His is modified pretty good, so the 1050 is a natural fit.

My Hemi was at 528 CI and I am running 2 Holley HP 750's on a Ray Barton crossram and there is instant throttle response with zero hesitation and it idles all day long. I will soon be at 572 like the OP and I have 1500 cfm with no issues. Big CI motors have to breath and it makes no sense to use a small carb as a choke point...  0.02

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015 - 09:45:21 AM »
Urich's chart suggests an 1150 and Vizard's forumula, if you assume the heads are not all that great (which is hard to do with a hemi) predicts a 1050.  there is a reason that the factory used dual quads on much smaller engines.

A 950 for a pure street car will start acting like a choke around 5300 rpm.

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015 - 04:18:15 PM »
thanks for the continuing info guys, mechanical pump should be ok? and my main line is 3/8"  bruce
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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2015 - 07:04:02 PM »
Well, I've seen dynos on a 500 cu in motor, where the difference in hp between an 850
and 950 carb was 10 hp. So there's a whole lotta other factors to consider, like intake, heads, cam,
and how restictive the exhaust is.  A lotta crate hemis seem to have dual 650 or 750 carbs,
and they obviously don't use 1300 or 1500 cfm. Be nice to see a graph of AFRs also, when the carb
is increased from 850 to 950 to 1050 to 1150 on a 572 Hemi.


these guys look at AFR. 13.5 and 12.5 are ranges they like.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/1408-carburetor-dyno-testing-flowing-results/
« Last Edit: May 06, 2015 - 07:09:44 PM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2015 - 07:14:29 PM »
Interesting, but I'm not sure a dyno gives a good representation of driving the engine
on the street.  Just because a carb makes max hp, does not mean the car will run
quicker in the street. Gotta see the hp numbers thoughout the rpm range. Also, they don't look at AFRs.

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/mopp-1207-carburetor-dyno-test/
« Last Edit: May 06, 2015 - 07:20:10 PM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2015 - 07:21:56 PM »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2015 - 08:21:00 PM »
thanks for the continuing info guys, mechanical pump should be ok? and my main line is 3/8"  bruce
Sure. But like carbs, you can get different flow rates and opinions. :grinyes:
Are you planning a pressure reg? If not, need a pump that outputs in the 5-6psi range.
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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2015 - 08:44:19 PM »
Sure. But like carbs, you can get different flow rates and opinions. :grinyes:
Are you planning a pressure reg? If not, need a pump that outputs in the 5-6psi range.

Hey, yeah no reg. But yeah think I'm ok then.

And the opinions are great,I am learning from it.  I'm taking it all in .this is the best site for knowledgeable people

Thx Bruce
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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2015 - 10:21:06 PM »
Mopar Performance recommends an 850 or 900 cfm carb for this engine they sell.

 5007630AD  -     528 Hemi Crate Engine — 610 HP, 650 ft.-lbs. Torque 

But, for the street, if I had a 572, I would try a 950 first.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2015 - 10:37:26 PM by cudabob496 »
72 Cuda, owned 25 years. 496, with ported Stage VI heads, .625 in solid roller, 254/258 at .050, 3500 stall, 3.91 rear. 850 Holley DP, Reverse manual valve body.

1999 Trans Am, LS1, heads, cam, headers, stall, etc! Love to surprise the rice rockets with this one. They seem so confident, then it's "what the heck just happened?"

2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015 - 07:43:12 AM »
Thanks again for the suggestions everyone, i think i will go with a quick fuel 950, i will look around for the best deal.

  Bruce
1970 challenger 95% done
1969 roadrunner in progress
1969 D-100 13,000 mile truck
1969 L-700 tilt cab in progress
2007  Dodge Ram 4x4
2017 hyundia Santa fe ultimate
1977 VERY UNDERSTANDING WIFE !! 😇

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015 - 07:49:41 AM »
Thanks again for the suggestions everyone, i think i will go with a quick fuel 950, i will look around for the best deal.

  Bruce

http://www.quickfueltechnology.com/carburetors-q-series/q-series-950-cfm-annular-drag-race.html

This is the same version as mine only bigger. I love the adjustability and the annular boosters!

Pricing options?
http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Fuel-Technology-Q-950-AN-Carburetor/dp/B008J21FAU
This one has the extra fuel line ( same as mine)
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-QUICK-FUEL-950-ANN-MECH-DRAG-RACE-Q-950-AN-QFT-34-6000SS-LINE-KIT-/271757073018?hash=item3f45fbda7a&vxp=mtr
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

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Re: suggestions quick fuel or holley??
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2015 - 08:13:37 AM »
http://www.quickfueltechnology.com/carburetors-q-series/q-series-950-cfm-annular-drag-race.html

This is the same version as mine only bigger. I love the adjustability and the annular boosters!

Pricing options?
http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Fuel-Technology-Q-950-AN-Carburetor/dp/B008J21FAU
This one has the extra fuel line ( same as mine)
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-QUICK-FUEL-950-ANN-MECH-DRAG-RACE-Q-950-AN-QFT-34-6000SS-LINE-KIT-/271757073018?hash=item3f45fbda7a&vxp=mtr


hey thanks Brad, great looking carb and yeah might as well get the line set with it.   Bruce
1970 challenger 95% done
1969 roadrunner in progress
1969 D-100 13,000 mile truck
1969 L-700 tilt cab in progress
2007  Dodge Ram 4x4
2017 hyundia Santa fe ultimate
1977 VERY UNDERSTANDING WIFE !! 😇