Author Topic: Upper Ball joint failure with pics  (Read 11792 times)

Offline GreenFish

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1281
Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« on: May 18, 2015 - 09:47:52 AM »
So drove the Cuda to work Friday. On the way home if felt a little off. The steering was pulling a bit.  It got worse as I went on. Here is what happened.  These ball joints were PSTs installed probably 12-15 years ago. Glad I made it home
70 cuda, 440, KB pistons, 10.5:1 compression, edlebrock heads,RacerBrown cam, 5-Speed Tremec, Megasquirt EFI




Offline HP2

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 4478
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2015 - 09:54:37 AM »
Wow, popped right out of there. Glad you made it home okay.

Offline GreenFish

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1281
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2015 - 09:55:52 AM »
Not sure if you are familiar with it but it got a little hairy going over the Maryland Chesapeake Bay Bridge
70 cuda, 440, KB pistons, 10.5:1 compression, edlebrock heads,RacerBrown cam, 5-Speed Tremec, Megasquirt EFI

Offline brads70

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 18747
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2015 - 10:44:52 AM »
I wonder what gave out , the threads on the ball joint of the upper control arm?  Glad you made it back ok! Any damage to the tire/fender?
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

Offline GreenFish

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1281
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2015 - 12:05:40 PM »
I wonder what gave out , the threads on the ball joint of the upper control arm?  Glad you made it back ok! Any damage to the tire/fender?

Thanks, No, no damage to the car at all. Other that the obvious. I didnt take it apart yet. Just popped the wheel off to see what was up so far. I ordered QA1 UCAs to replace it with. Ill inspect further when I swap them out. Hopefully this weekend
70 cuda, 440, KB pistons, 10.5:1 compression, edlebrock heads,RacerBrown cam, 5-Speed Tremec, Megasquirt EFI

Offline ChallengerHK

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 7338
  • I'm working on it - No, really
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2015 - 02:03:38 PM »
Not sure if you are familiar with it but it got a little hairy going over the Maryland Chesapeake Bay Bridge

I'm familiar with it, and it's not a drive I would want to make. Glad you made it safe.

I'm interested in hearing where that failed and how as well. Seems odd.


"She'll make point five past light speed. She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, and I've made a lot of special modifications myself."

- Han Solo, Star Wars

Advice Thread - Taking Pictures Of Cars

Offline turbo224

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 349
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015 - 03:16:19 PM »
The threads on these ball joints are VERY shallow and easy to cross thread. I would be willing to bet that they ball joint was crossed threaded when installed. I spoke with a mechanic who has years of experience working on older cars. I had him remove my old ball joints from the control arms and he suggested that I add a few spot welds to my ball joints just to be safe.
~Tyler Larsen~Salt Lake City

-1971 Plymouth Cuda 440-6pk Tribute
-1992 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T

Offline Katfish

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3733
  • 70 Challenger
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2015 - 03:34:27 PM »
Did the BJ actually break?
Thought taper with nut on end would make this impossible to happen?

Offline BIGSHCLUNK

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 9341
  • Miss NIKKI - were you this hot at 48?
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2015 - 04:37:10 PM »
Did the BJ actually break?
Thought taper with nut on end would make this impossible to happen?
:clueless: AGREED.... did the "ball" pop out of the socket...  :clueless:  but then the spindle would have separated...  :clueless:
70 Chally R/T Convertible- Yes she's really got a HEMI, no she's not a Charger!
                                             [o o o o]
                                                  OO
                                                  OO 
                                              [o o o o]
https://www.aanddtruckautoparts.com/
http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-D-Truck-and-Auto-Parts/67427352555?ref=hl

Offline dodj

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6197
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015 - 06:02:45 PM »
Did the BJ actually break?
Thought taper with nut on end would make this impossible to happen?
Looks like the ball joint body popped completely out of the A-arm. Failure of the A-arm perhaps?
Scott
1973 Challenger  440 4 spd 
2007.5 3500 6.7 Cummins Diesel, Anarchy tuned.
Good friends don't let friends do stupid things. ........alone.

Offline CudamanTom

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2670
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2015 - 07:20:59 PM »
My guess is the ball joint loosened up (unscrewed from the A-arm).  :2cents:
Maybe not tightened like it should have been.
IMHO, it would be hard to cross thread something this tough without not noticing it. Either part is not soft metal.
Again, just my  :2cents:

Glad there wasn't an accident following the separation of parts.  :wave:
1971 Cuda Vert 440-833 - (clone)
1971 Cuda 440-727 - (clone)


Because I like it fast!!!

Offline Katfish

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3733
  • 70 Challenger
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2015 - 07:36:02 PM »
But that can't happen unless the ball joint separates.a

Offline dodj

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6197
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2015 - 09:39:41 PM »
But that can't happen unless the ball joint separates.a
Well, the ball joint separated from the a-arm. Like the part of the a-arm that houses the ball joint lost it's strength (somehow), and expanded enough to let the ball joint pop out.
Scott
1973 Challenger  440 4 spd 
2007.5 3500 6.7 Cummins Diesel, Anarchy tuned.
Good friends don't let friends do stupid things. ........alone.

Offline Katfish

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3733
  • 70 Challenger
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2015 - 09:49:41 PM »
Hopefully the OP will post a pic once its removed.

But think of the BJ as a nail going through 2 boards, nail head can't pop up from the top board, unless it breaks or pops up from the bottom board.

In this case the control arm is the top board, the spindle (with a nut holding the BJ) is the bottom board.  Can't see how it happens unless the "nail" breaks?

Offline dodj

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6197
Re: Upper Ball joint failure with pics
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2015 - 09:54:02 PM »
Hopefully the OP will post a pic once its removed.

But think of the BJ as a nail going through 2 boards, nail head can't pop up from the top board, unless it breaks or pops up from the bottom board.

In this case the control arm is the top board, the spindle (with a nut holding the BJ) is the bottom board.  Can't see how it happens unless the "nail" breaks?
Ya, OK, gotcha. Wasn't thinking of the the other half. And if the ball joint broke, why would it push up like that?
Scott
1973 Challenger  440 4 spd 
2007.5 3500 6.7 Cummins Diesel, Anarchy tuned.
Good friends don't let friends do stupid things. ........alone.