I live in a winter climate. I know how to drive on ice and snow. I know how to slide a car around in less than optimal conditions. I road raced motorcycle in my younger days and know how to slide a two wheel machine around on asphalt. It seems when I watch these videos, that the driver seems completely unaware that his car is about to swap ends. I would suppose that getting off of the gas a little sooner than these guys would have helped tremendously. And not completely off the gas or on the brakes. That just makes it worse. I have seen enough of these types of crashes on video to be aware that it could potentially happen, usually when a bit of showing off or racing is happening. I just don't want to miss anything and make someone else's mistake a learning opportunity for me with out actually having to go to the body shop.