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New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« on: May 26, 2015 - 05:30:43 AM »
Getting a new alternator, I see there is "one wire" now with the regulator built in, that must be more foolproof than having it on the firewall. Any recommendations on what brand to buy? (Gonna order at Summit). And, I'm installing a Vintage air system later, should I get a single or dual pulley to fit that best?
/ Ken
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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015 - 08:10:30 PM »
The problem with a built in reg is when the reg fails you are either replacing or rebuilding the alt , with it separate it is a cheap & easy fix .
Mancini has the Denso Kit , I think 440 Source does also

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015 - 07:35:08 PM »
The problem with a built in reg is when the reg fails you are either replacing or rebuilding the alt , with it separate it is a cheap & easy fix .
Mancini has the Denso Kit , I think 440 Source does also


True, and thinking in that direction, its probably good to keep the electronics out of the heat. They mostly fail because of long term heat.
/ Ken
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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015 - 07:44:36 PM »
Stay away from Powermaster too

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2015 - 07:56:37 PM »
 :wavingflag: Holy crap....what is the issues with powermaster? I was looking to buy there 120A one wire. I will have msd ignition, dual fans, EFI and vintage air, upgraded headlights to newer hi draw composites.  So I need a solid charging system.
:wavingflag:  Quit being offended by everything, I am sure you are doing something that upsets me, but I am not complaining about you!!! It is a free county get over yourself!

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015 - 04:29:18 AM »
:wavingflag: Holy crap....what is the issues with powermaster? I was looking to buy there 120A one wire. I will have msd ignition, dual fans, EFI and vintage air, upgraded headlights to newer hi draw composites.  So I need a solid charging system.


Mine will have Vintage Air also, eventually, does it need a dual or a single pulley on the alternator?
/ Ken
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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2015 - 07:44:31 AM »
IT will depend on the belt system you are running , with original compressor & pulleys you would need a dual groove but you are not running th original compressor .
 Powermaster are just mass produced chinese parts & seem to use inferior [go figure] components & do not seem to last long or be reliable

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2015 - 08:42:15 AM »
  I ran a Powermaster #7508 on my 340 for three years and then it stopped charging at idle rpms. This car was only used on occasion (dry weather, weekends, etc.). I expected the alternator to last much longer under these conditions. But, it was a Chrysler square back core and they "juiced" it up to make 60a at idle and 99a total. My guess is that these "juiced" up cores will only last so long because they were not made to put out 2-3 times more at idle than what they were from the factory. I assume that the heat that it generated may have been a cause of this short life. Note: This #7508 is no longer produced by PM. They do sell a higher rated version now and I would not recommend it for a long term unit due to my experience.

So, I started investigating new alternators and after contacting three of the major brands, I found that no other brand could make a square back unit (3 wire) that put out the amperage that the PM is getting from their units at idle (that did not cost $325). So I decided to look at the one wire units that would give me 75a-90a or so at idle for future upgrades. After a lot of reading, I found that PM is now producing a "new series" of Chrysler twin fan one wire upgrade units. I talked to their Sales/Engineering staff and found out that this unit is based on the AC Delco #230 core that has twin internal fans and is built to meet Military standards. It has a "stock" rating of 120a and a Turn On Speed of 500rpms.  Their new Chrysler Upgrade 165a & 215a units that come with with single or dual pulleys. You can find these on pages 100 and 101 in their new catalog.
 I purchased and installed the 165a unit (#8-48529-120: to replace the 60a at idle unit). The 60a at idle unit always showed voltage fluctuations at idle when I came to a stop, but it was much better than the stock unit that it replaced. When I had headlights on or when I was using the turn signals, the flucturations at idle were even worse and my voltage reading would bounce around. So I decided that if I ever had to upgrade the 60a at idle unit, I wanted to try a unit that had at least another 25% more at idle.

Do I need the total idle output of the 165a unit? NO! But, I liked the design of the AC Delco 230 core that they use. This unit puts out 104a at idle (148a at cruise, and 172a at top end) and this means no more voltage fluctuations at idle at a stop.  Now I can upgrade in the future and not worry about any power issues.
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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015 - 11:25:02 AM »
The factory parts last for decades but Powermaster just dont . Cheap internals or overloaded for the design they just do not last .
 The best solution is maybe the Denso units or do as I did & have a local rebuilder create whet you need & adjust the mounting to suit , with all the additional electrical on new vehicles running twin cooling fans & lots of other power needs  etc there are a lot of newer high output alternators that will work & should be very reliable .

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015 - 09:41:16 PM »
you cant use the mancini kit with a mechanical fuel pump and on a street I have that bracket fail twice
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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2015 - 12:13:15 PM »
I need a dual groove pulley, after some research. Tuff Stuff, is that a better brand than Powermaster? I need to get it from Summit since I'm ordiering lotsa more stuff from them.
/ Ken
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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2015 - 12:24:43 PM »
I used the tuff stuff 100 amp, all good so far, I got it in powder coat black.... :)

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2015 - 10:23:29 PM »
 I have not heard anything about Tuff Stuff good or bad

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2015 - 04:05:56 PM »
Denso 90 amp or 120 amp. Find them in the junk yards. Mod your own brackets.

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Re: New Alternator recommendations (with Vintage Air)
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2015 - 06:20:51 PM »
We're in the (slow) process of putting a Vintage Air system onto a big block (compressor on top). The instructions show only one groove needed.  Also the system came with its own alternator bracket, but I couldn't see any reason to not use the stock brackets.