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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2015 - 05:58:58 PM »
In for seeing this play out.
will you mount that with some vibration dampening?

                 Yes, see the corners of the plate with the rubber grommets on the compressor. It has to be vibration dampened. Tomorrow hanging the evaporator, installing the bulkhead and building the hoses.




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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2015 - 09:19:44 PM »
I like your pictures of your progress so far. Thanks for the update and can't wait to see/hear how it goes.   :thumbsup:

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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2015 - 09:38:32 PM »
Tagged for interest.

Hope you do several evaluations on hot days and inside car temps, passenger comfort, etc.

Good stuff!

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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2015 - 10:39:51 PM »
20-30 years ago we looked for cars without A/C cause it didn't look cool... Now that I'm older & wiser turns out A/C is very cool....

:iagree: 100% with you Randy! Use to hate the way that big old twin-piston compressor looked sitting front and center on top of the engine :eek4:  Envied the GM guys with their smaller centrifugal compressors mounted off to the side (did I just say I "envied" GM guys? :eek4:) Now that I'm older I'm not as much into sweating as I once was and I just want to be comfortable when I drive - give me AC! Subscribing to the thread to see how it works out. :popcorn:
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2015 - 06:32:54 PM »
    Today I built brackets to mount the inverter. Directions state to mount it as close to the compressor as possible, so everything is tucked up inside the rf fender. The inverter has 2 heavy battery leads that I plan on hooking straight to the alternater positive lug and the ground directly to the engine block. The modification to the factory condenser liquid line fitting will be ready Monday, so the hoses will now point to the passenger side and go into the fender behind the headlights. Update on the rest of the car in morning on Toxicwolf's restoration thread.  Have a great weekend ya'll    :cheers:    :drunk:

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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2015 - 06:23:09 PM »
That compressor looks like this one, for less than half the price...
http://www.revoltevc.com/climate/cooling/compressor/sierra-02-compressor-151.html


Edit: Looking closer I didn't realize it came with the control box. The one above is just the compressor.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2015 - 06:27:39 PM by soundcontrol »
/ Ken
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2015 - 06:30:52 PM »
That compressor looks like this one, for less than half the price...
http://www.revoltevc.com/climate/cooling/compressor/sierra-02-compressor-151.html


Edit: Looking closer I didn't realize it came with the control box. The one above is just the compressor.

Same company as the link you found.
http://www.revoltevc.com/masterflux-sierra-02-0716y3-system-kit.html
Interesting read .....
Details


Though we sell electric compressors that run on 12VDC, they are limited to use for small cabinet cooling, refrigeration, dehumidification, and other specialty tasks. The reason is power consumption for air conditioning and power conversion efficiency.

An overview of the problem
 Our largest SIERRA-06 series compressor kit provides about 1.5 tons of cooling running at full power and under optimal conditions, and draws up to 2kW of power to do so. It is  immediately not operating on the same level as most automotive air conditioning systems, which range somewhere around 2-3 tons for a small car, and sometimes greater than 6 tons for larger SUVs. This cooling capability is adequate  for our primary market in electric vehicles due to the smaller total heat load, that is, countering only the sun's radiation, but not factoring in a hot engine and exhaust system. Even so, the DC kits we offer are best used with as much "help" as they can get -- window film, light-colored paint and interiors, window shades, and so forth.

Reducing the voltage
As the voltage decreases, more current is needed to produce the same power. Below 48V, the limitation of the compressor design sets in: The terminals physically can not handle more than about 50-55A. As a result, the lower-voltage models run with reduced performance. At 12V, the SIERRA-02 is capable of a little better than a fourth of the performance of the high-voltage models, and still draws a relatively large 50A current to do so.

In summary
Even if it were possible to get the same performance as our high-voltage units at 12V, you would need about 200A to do so, which would require a very large alternator and massive copper wiring. Ultimately it would run at a greater cost of horsepower from your engine, due to losses in the alternator itself, and in the motor and controller. A standard engine-driven automotive compressor skips these mechanical-to-electrical and electrical-to-mechanical conversions, making it far more efficient and lighter overall

Special situations
 We have sold 12VDC systems for solar application, as well as some specific solutions. If you feel as if your situation merits a 12V compressor system, we can certainly provide you with one. Please give us a call or consult with us before you order, because, unless your specific situation is very unique, it is unlikely that you will be satisfied with its performance.

This system package includes the compressor, controller, the controller harness, vibration isolation mounts, and the optional manual control device.
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2015 - 06:35:31 PM »
That compressor looks like this one, for less than half the price...
http://www.revoltevc.com/climate/cooling/compressor/sierra-02-compressor-151.html


Edit: Looking closer I didn't realize it came with the control box. The one above is just the compressor.

                      Yep, basically the same compressor. If you pull your refrig out and look at its compressor, it's basically what you will see. A hermitically sealed compressor. But they found a way to make it work with R134 refrigerant, and added the automotive AN fittings. And they built the inverter to make it all happen.   Time will tell, but I have faith.  Fingers crossed. 


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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2015 - 06:46:54 PM »
Brad
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2015 - 07:04:27 PM »
     Time will tell, but I fully believe it will work nicely. I may have to make some changes, such as dual batteries. I've already figured in a pusher fan in front of the condenser.

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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2015 - 09:28:24 PM »
L@@Ks like a real challenger Jim.
Keep us posted. 
U mentioned at Carlisle u purchased the 2  version.
Would the 4 version be better?  Or does it draw more amps.
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2015 - 06:51:27 AM »
Very interestinfg reading Brad, makes sense, a normal room AC takes about 9A at 2kW, 220V, (18A @ 110V), so 12V at that power would fry the wires. It will work, but I think the main issue will be to stop heat from getting in the car, as they say. On all my bigblock cars the firewall and floor under my feet has been hot as hell, good insulation there will be crucial. Good headers and maybe some heatshields....
I had crappy headers on all my previous cars, and no isulation.

Gonna be interesting to see how well it works, would probably work well for me, Sweden is not that hot and I dont use the AC much.
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2015 - 04:03:48 PM »
Finished building hoses today. Got drier mounted, installed hoses and hooked up to vacuum pump. Pumped it down for an hour, shut off gauges, still holding 30 inches after 2 hours. Should be doing a test run by Saturday.     :rebel:

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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2015 - 10:02:38 PM »
L@@Kin good Jim.  Love to be there when you fire it  up..................Do a video..
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Re: Electric A/C compressor
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2015 - 05:18:45 AM »

Now that I'm older & wiser turns out A/C is very cool.... And I don't care what it looks like cause traveling down the road no ones gonna see it...
You can absolutely see which classic cars have A/C going down the road. Their windows are up!!!