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Offline JH27N0B

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After 15 or 16 years of restoration shop horror stories, a few weeks ago, I lined up a guy with a enclosed trailer and we went to get my car to move it to storage until I figure out how to clear space for it at my home.
My car went to a shop in MI in fall '99 and the shop owner soon flaked out on me.  After 5years and many excuses, he'd finally gotten much of the metal work done, the car was media blasted and etch primed.  Then sat for more years and he wouldn't touch it again. A shop local to him rebuilt the engine in 2011 thinking seeing it done and waiting might motivate him, no such luck!  I knew I had to move it to another shop if I ever wanted to see it painted, but in the 2000's my job security went away and I'd been in too unstable of a position to commit to moving it as I have found myself unemployed every 2 or 3 years for many months, or in the case of late 2008, 1-1/2 years.
I knew I couldn't leave it sitting over there forever, I had to do something whether I could afford it or not. So after going back and forth with a Mopar resto shop here in IL that does great work, I committed to moving the car, we moved it in early 2013 and when the bills started coming in, they were higher than I'd estimated.  Hashing out time estimates and rates, I'd come up with mid 40s to take the car from much of the metal work done etc to painted, partially reassembled roller.  Well, after around 70K in bills, it is a painted partially reassembled roller.  I'll never be able to know for sure how much I have in this car, as I didn't keep good records early on, but I'm sure I'm over 100K, on a car I bought in HS for $2300.
The company I have been working for over 3 years at is going downhill fast, so although I planned for overages, I didn't think I'd be at 25K over estimates, nor was I in a good position to absorb that kind of extra expense, as it's not like I can just say I'll recover over the next year or two with my steady paychecks as my future is uncertain.  And some of the things I saw on bills really made me feel hosed, 32 hours to prep and install an NOS takeoff fender to replace one I'd bought years ago that turned out to have old collision damage, 2 hours to media blast paint off a commercial rebuilt water pump, 4 hours to remove the trim off the quarter glass and pack for shipping to a glass polisher in CA who apparently vanished with my glass after it was shipped (and my restorer said he was "just as much a victim as I was, as he spent his own time finding this guy"), and 16 hours to install my NOS stripes are a few examples.
So a few weeks ago, we get the car and I was feeling a bit happy following the rig as we drove away from the shop, no more bills from him and monthly horror as I opened the bills!
We get to the storage place, and as we are getting the car out of the trailer, the winch loses its tension, the car starts to roll on the ramp, we are pushing on the rear to keep it from rolling too fast, and I see the front moving out slightly as it rolls, the steering wheel wasn't 100% straight, and I watched helplessly as the left front fender rubbed against the ramp cable.  :faint:
So the paint is damaged on the fender. This car is cursed!!!!
I still haven't figured out how to clear a space in my garage, I've advertised my '71 with only limited interest, should get more serious with my efforts, but truth be told, I sort of like it better than my T/A!
Storage around here is expensive, around $150 a month is average for storing a car.
Even if the T/A was done, I don't feel too enthused about having a trailer queen at this point.  I had a Ram 1500 when this project started, but at this point no truck, no trailer, and my property is too small to store an enclosed trailer so I'd need to pay to store a trailer if I bought one.
And shows like the Nats have gone downhill so far in recent years that towing a car hundreds of miles to win a trophy seems meaningless.
Big layoff at work rumored next Thursday, 300-400 folks.  Supposedly engineering not in the crosshairs, especially my group, but still I'm feeling pretty demoralized about work and the future.
I've come too far to quit, but at this point, I feel the car has fought me every step of the way and it's hard to get much enthusiasm for finishing the last 10% of the work which mainly will be putting it back together!
Anybody else ever feel like a project has defeated them?

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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2015 - 11:57:02 AM »
Man that is a rough story, do u have the parts to finish it?? If you do, I think I have your solution!! BUILD PARTY!!  Schedule a month or so out so some members can make time, and let's get this car done, I'm not sure what part of IL you are in, but I drive to Chicago 2 weeks ago, was about 8 hrs for me, and I'd be up for another road trip!
Best of luck man
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2015 - 12:27:38 PM »
I do have most of the parts. When I first started getting going on this project in the late 90s, I was beating the bushes for parts and filled up a spare bedroom in my house with stuff.  The car is originally a steel wheel car and I picked up a set of January 70 datecoded 450s early on, I got a set of NOS mufflers and tips, most of the underhood stuff etc.  Reupholstered the front seats almost 15 years ago and stored them behind a couch in my living room for safekeeping, figured they'd only be there a year or two, yeah right LOL.
One thing is, besides being younger with a bright future careerwise I thought, when this project got started, I was all about car shows and getting featured in magazines etc.  Now I am still as passionate as ever about cars, but I am more about going out to cruises.  One doesn't need a concours show car to go to cruises!
And there are only a couple magazines I would want to be featured in, like Hemmings Muscle or Mopar Action. Maybe Muscle Car Review.  The rest are lame.  I don't know if I am in any hurry to get it all completed, I may find myself all dressed up and no place to go!

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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2015 - 01:36:46 PM »
It looks beautiful and I hope you can finish it.  However, keep things in perspective, this is just a car.  Your family comes first. 

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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2015 - 06:04:16 PM »
The build party is a great idea for those close enough and willing to help out.

If you have the car 90% of the way there don't quit now.

 :thinkerg: Invite Alan over. He could finish it in a couple hours.
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2015 - 07:04:45 PM »
Not sure where you work right now, but if you're located in IL, the company I work for (exelon utilities) takes care of engineers. They're a huge corporation and I work in baltimore. But I'm just a lowly lineman. If you're close to chicago, I'd suggest hunting for a spot with exelon. Great company to work for and VERY stable. Hope everything works out with your car, she sure is perty!
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2015 - 07:05:32 PM »
Yeah, Alan could have the car back together so fast it would make my head spin!
Still got the storage and transportation issues though....
I did talk to someone about storage around 25 miles from me where it's $50 a month.  The owner of that storage place told me there is a "gonna restore it someday" green with gator grain top T/A that has been stored there for years!
Too many Challengers, too little time and money to do what I want with them all!

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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015 - 07:15:54 PM »
Not sure where you work right now, but if you're located in IL, the company I work for (exelon utilities) takes care of engineers. They're a huge corporation and I work in baltimore. But I'm just a lowly lineman. If you're close to chicago, I'd suggest hunting for a spot with exelon. Great company to work for and VERY stable. Hope everything works out with your car, she sure is perty!
Tough thing with engineering is it gets so specialized after you've been one for a while.  I've spent most of my career in automotive and truck parts and now trucks.  I actually do get calls and emails from engineering recruiters every week, even daily.  But very few of the jobs they tell me about are good matches, lots of them are contract, which I would avoid unless I was desperate!
I really hope and need to work full time for another 4 or 5 years at least.  Then I will be in my mid to late 50s and could probably get by until I'm mid 60s and could start social security and a drawing my little pension I have coming. Those next 4 or 5 years may be a struggle though, in a tough economy in a state that is going down the tubes with employers fleeing the state.  I am stuck here for a while though, so moving to a state with a healthier economy isn't in the cards.  That is part of my dilemma with the car, if I had a crystal ball and could see that I would be employed consistently going forward, buying a truck and trailer might be doable.  But I can't plan ahead for big purchase when my job situation is so unstable!

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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2015 - 07:43:44 PM »
I hit the frustration wall on my last project car (a Camaro).   The skill level needed to finish the body work was way over my head, so after 9 years of dragging it around I finally sold it.    Your situation seems to be very different from this... "just" assembly now after so many past issues.   Try to celebrate the small victories and progress and hopefully it will all come together soon enough.  Hang in there.

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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2015 - 09:04:45 PM »
I can't say I've ever been there....but I know I've come to the rescue many, many times of people in similar situations....People who have lost thousands of dollars and years of time at less than reputable restoration shops.... 

My advice is stick with it or find a trustworthy person to finish it for you :2cents:
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2015 - 09:43:30 PM »

My advice is stick with it or find a trustworthy person to finish it for you :2cents:

So many I have run into that lay that claim and then you find out the hard way.
Not just cars but life in general.
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2015 - 09:49:04 PM »
So many I have run into that lay that claim and then you find out the hard way.
Not just cars but life in general.
Yes...very much agreed...I just had a very bad situation with an engine builder who assured me "he was the best"......didn't really end up to be true... :stomp:
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2015 - 10:06:22 PM »
Remember my leather seats issue?

The guy I locally dealt with did a great job on the rear seats and the front upper halves.
He screwed up the bottom halves forcing me to get desperate since the car show was coming up.

So I sent the bottom front halves to Lengendary Auto Interiors telling them they weren't tucked up high at the edge and that the buttons weren't recessed where you sit.

Even they didn't recess and pull the seat buttons down which I asked them to do.
$300 bucks spent on something not done how I wanted!
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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2015 - 10:27:50 PM »
Then there's Angie the "Expert" Mopar head specialist at Mopar Engine's West:

I specifically told her I want a solid cam higher lift stroked HEMI F.A.S.T. class built engine.

So what did she do?

She put put normal type valve springs when she should've installed beehive valve springs to eliminate interference with the exhaust side of the valve covers.

$250 bucks later in modifying them, and ond one valve spring still is slightly rubbing.
Scott will probably take care of me who did the stretch and weld work on the valve covers.
Still a PITA!
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Ever feel defeated by a project? T/A out of shop(s) after many years....
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2015 - 10:33:31 PM »
And then there's Hayward Auto Instruments.

My worm gear was broken on the trip odometer.

Miraculously they found one.
Except now now my trip odometer goes...222...444...666...888   :banghead:

I've got more to tell but I'm so lit up writing all this, I need a beer!
Mike, Fremont, CA.