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Offline andben

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Fender tag fake?
« on: November 21, 2015 - 04:47:04 PM »
Ad on eBay for a R/T SE car. But fender tag looks fake to me. Any thoughts?

FENDER TAG #1

M31 N41 N42 N85 R11 CTD
      J25 J45 J46 J54 M21
C26 C55 C62 G33 G11 F25
V1X A01 A05 A36 A62 C16
FE5 HRX9 000 616 036383
E63 D21 JS29 N0B 153025


FENDER TAG #2

     VX9 V21 Y05 Y14 26 END
     M26 M42 N25 N76 R34
     F17 F82 G41 H31


EDIT (added URL to the ad on eBay below):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252179891228?forcerRptr=true&item=252179891228&viewitem=
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015 - 05:18:47 PM »
that is a LOT of codes, don't recall seeing one with that many
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015 - 05:32:33 PM »
FENDER TAG #1

M31 N41 N42 N85 R11 CTD
      J25 J45 J46 J54 M21
C26 C55 C62 G33 G11 F25
V1X A01 A05 A36 A62 C16
FE5 HRX9 000 616 036383
E63 D21 JS29 N0B 153025


FENDER TAG #2

     VX9 V21 Y05 Y14 26 END
     M26 M42 N25 N76 R34
     F17 F82 G41 H31

Tag 1 has a number of N codes and R11, Tag 2 should have codes later than the R11 but instead drop back to F, F, H, G, M, N, Etc...  Something doesn't seem quite right... :clueless:
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Offline 2cudas2go

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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015 - 06:08:22 PM »
.....................and he says no fender tag or build sheet so where did he get all the codes :clueless:

Something is not right............... :dunno:

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« Last Edit: November 21, 2015 - 06:20:25 PM by 2cudas2go »

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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015 - 09:24:19 PM »
obviously one cannot say with certainty, but I would doubt all of that would be on fender tags. It "appears" that what the owner did was look at every option/thing the car has or he thinks it might have had and listed the codes. I some instances, a "group" code would include a number of codes, thus you would see one code on the tag, but it would represent a number of things. I am traveling so I cannot look at my books, but things like a "performance" option might include stripes, exhaust tips, etc (making this up); but you would only see one code (or perhaps 2) for multiple items on the tag. Now, on the broadcast sheet there could be more. This is one of those things that the "experts" get paid so much for; knowing what went with what. This knowledge allows them and well read hobbyists to spot fakes or at least be suspicious of a tag.  Obviously there are things that are easy to spot or know a car came with, then there is the much longer list of things that "might" have been there and yet another list of things that were offered that might have found their way onto/in a car and appear as though it came that way.

Short story; if the codes are offered as a selling point in an attempt to get more money than the car is worth as it is presented, then I would be very suspicious of it unless the buyer can prove all these things were there originally (pictures when it was new or near knew, trusted testimony from those who knew the cars, etc).
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015 - 09:53:00 PM »
I believe it to be fake tag codes.  :2cents:
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2015 - 10:39:50 AM »
"F" codes are never on the tag, just the b/c sheet.
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2015 - 12:57:49 PM »
Yes, that is some made up sh#t there. Many codes listed that do not belong on a 70 Challenger tag, tag codes out of order, and the Scheduled production date is not even close to when JS29N0B153025 was actual built. Basically you are buying a cool challenger that is not even close to being an original car. Buyer beware tho - I would verify that the VIN matches the body stampings at least, before a deal is done.

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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015 - 03:49:49 PM »
I agree with all of the above observations, especially the build date of 616 (June 16), and the VIN ending in 153025.  My VIN ends in 221xxx and was a December build car. I haven't seen A05, only A01 & A04.  I am also thinking the interior should be SRX9 for a leather interior in a JS car. G11 and G33 are reversed.  Can there be a Y05 AND a Y14??  It's is usually one or the other.

Yeah, too many anomalies to be genuine.

Offline TelisSE440

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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015 - 04:11:16 PM »
Too much blah blah in the add made me suspect it without even seeing the codes. Can't be genuine, but as sdweatherman said, if anyone wants a deal out of that car, he MUST take a look at the VIN along with the cowl and radiator support numbers to be matching...

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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2015 - 06:55:15 PM »
I didnt see an actual pic of the tag, did I miss it?

I sent him a msg to see if he'll send them to me.
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2015 - 07:33:55 PM »
I agree with all of the above observations, especially the build date of 616 (June 16), and the VIN ending in 153025.  My VIN ends in 221xxx and was a December build car. I haven't seen A05, only A01 & A04.  I am also thinking the interior should be SRX9 for a leather interior in a JS car.
Yeah, too many anomalies to be genuine.

 :iagree:  Spot on there EB3! Besides all the extraneous codes on a fender tag, the dead give away is the correlation between the SPD (616) and the VIN (153025) as EB3 mentioned. Total BS! :dupe:
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015 - 12:03:13 AM »
What it stated as a fender tag or just a statment listing the codes to all options currently on car?

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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2015 - 07:20:13 AM »
Here is the reply I got

The fender tad listed is only a [idea] of what they may look like and actually the way I did it is [ incorrect.] GTS is presently working on this missing detail. However, GTS tag service hasn't returned their findings yet. Hence, I do not know for sure exactly how the fender tag should be. Diana at GTS has given Galin the data I sent on the car and he is supposed to come up with ones I will be able to reattach to the car. I have contacted the last three prior owners to see if one of them kept the tags for a souvenir or some other reason. I am also trying to contact the body shop that did the paint work to see if they may have forgot to re-attach them to the fender. At any rate for the moment, the car doesn't have the original fender tags. But, it will when it leaves me. It [is] on my "THINGS TO GET DONE" list. I may have an answer for you before the auction ends. If so, I shall eMail you. The other hang up that I am expecting an answer on with GTS is a copy of the "Build Sheet" on the car. We could have reconstructed the fender tags more quickly if I had a copy of that. Most likely was lost when the new leather interior was done. The best information that I have is that the car was originally a RED FE5 383 4-speed R/T SE with a Black Bumblebee Stripe that was quickly upgraded to a 440 SIX PACK in the 70's. So far I have an idea of the history back to about 1983. THX for your interest and inquiry
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Re: Fender tag fake?
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2015 - 09:56:51 AM »
This is what you're gonna see in about 2 weeks under the "welcome wagon"...

"Hey so glad to be here...I bought a rare 70 Challenger RT/SE off ebay with tons of options...can anyone decode this for me?"