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Offline GreenFish

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affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« on: December 15, 2015 - 10:49:59 AM »
How much affect would i see on compression by decreasing my combustion chamber by 6cc.

I'm considering a switch from Performer RPM heads (84cc) to the TF240s (78CC)

My compression will go up but by how much? Is there a mathematical equation that can figure this out?
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015 - 11:12:48 AM »
Add the swept volume, the volume of the head gasket height, and the combustion chamber volume. Divide this by the combustion chamber volume alone. Do this calculation for both chamber values and that will give you an idea of the change in static compression.


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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015 - 03:55:30 PM »
google compression ratio calculator .... then add it your specs
http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015 - 06:16:18 PM »
Much easier  :bigsmile:


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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015 - 07:19:22 PM »
What is swept volume?  :dupe:
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015 - 07:50:27 PM »
The volume of the part of the cylinder that the piston sweeps during movement.


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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015 - 09:16:30 PM »
Add the swept volume, the volume of the head gasket height, and the combustion chamber volume. Divide this by the combustion chamber volume alone. Do this calculation for both chamber values and that will give you an idea of the change in static compression.

Wow, you guys have knowledge........ :clapping:

Greenfish, i have a similar setup as you and is considering the same head swap.
If you are able to figure this quiz out, please post. I will just sit back and....  :popcorn:
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2015 - 10:24:55 PM »
The volume of the part of the cylinder that the piston sweeps during movement.

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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2015 - 11:53:36 PM »
How about a S.W.A.G.? I'll guess a half a point of CR.  :popcorn:

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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015 - 12:28:10 AM »
How about a S.W.A.G.? I'll guess a half a point of CR.  :popcorn:

Thats really a wag & nothing more.... on a large displacement (440) 8-1 engine 6cc won't make much difference... On a 10.5 or 11-1  small displacement (273-318) it could be a full point easily...

Use the calculator but if you do't know the right (accurate) numbers to put in the boxes then again it's just a guess...  IE Garbage in Garbage out....
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015 - 06:26:29 PM »
Is this the same 440 build in your sig line?  If so, which KB piston do you have?  Flat top or step head quench head?  If it's the quench head, that may not allow you to swap heads. 
Compression ratio, for you guys who like to do it "long hand":
(Bore/2) squared=A
A times stroke times pie times 16.387
This is your swept cylinder volume in CC's.
Now, in a seperate equation:
Add head volume, dish volume, gasket volume, and down fill volume.   Add this total to the swept total, then divide by the same number.
Is that confusing!

Example for normal .030 over 440:
4.350/2 then squared=4.730
4.730x3.75 stroke x pie x 16.387= 913.26 total swept volume
84cc heads +9.9 cc head gasket+4cc's valve relief + 2 cc down fill= 99.9
So, 913.26 +99.9= 1013.16
1013.16 / 99.9=10.1417

Down fill is the amount the piston is in the hole, or below deck.  Use the swept volume equation but replace the stroke with the amount your piston is down, like .018.
Domes and quench or step heads have a opposite volume, so you subtract this amount from the second equation.

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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2015 - 07:06:49 PM »
God, I must be bored!

Being stroked might be better  :bigsmile:


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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2015 - 10:15:40 AM »
Add the swept volume, the volume of the head gasket height, and the combustion chamber volume. Divide this by the combustion chamber volume alone. Do this calculation for both chamber values and that will give you an idea of the change in static compression.

 :clueless:  :banghead: yeah I suck at math, going to use the calculator instead.  :roflsmiley:
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2015 - 10:22:27 AM »
pretty sure my KBs are flat top. The block was 0 decked.
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Re: affects of decrease combustion chamber by 6cc
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2015 - 10:23:54 AM »
Is this the same 440 build in your sig line?  If so, which KB piston do you have?  Flat top or step head quench head?  If it's the quench head, that may not allow you to swap heads. 
Compression ratio, for you guys who like to do it "long hand":
(Bore/2) squared=A
A times stroke times pie times 16.387
This is your swept cylinder volume in CC's.
Now, in a seperate equation:
Add head volume, dish volume, gasket volume, and down fill volume.   Add this total to the swept total, then divide by the same number.
Is that confusing!

Example for normal .030 over 440:
4.350/2 then squared=4.730
4.730x3.75 stroke x pie x 16.387= 913.26 total swept volume
84cc heads +9.9 cc head gasket+4cc's valve relief + 2 cc down fill= 99.9
So, 913.26 +99.9= 1013.16
1013.16 / 99.9=10.1417

Down fill is the amount the piston is in the hole, or below deck.  Use the swept volume equation but replace the stroke with the amount your piston is down, like .018.
Domes and quench or step heads have a opposite volume, so you subtract this amount from the second equation.

God, I must be bored!

now i'm more confused than before.
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