US CarTool radiator support

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Offline soundcontrol

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US CarTool radiator support
« on: December 28, 2015 - 06:00:04 PM »
My lower radiator support don't fit very well, because of the old support, thats been busted up and straighten before. Its very bumpy and ugly. Now, can I just cut off the old support and just use the US Cartool support by itself? Maybe just keep the upper lip...and a small section of the vertical side. If I just weld it on there with the old one intact will be a pocket inside and holes in the front, dirt will collect there. And it will not look good. Gonna wait for my new radiator and do a mock up of that before I weld anything, just in cast something needs to be modified. (a new radiator with 2 electric fands for a 6.1 Hemi).
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015 - 07:00:09 PM »
I made my own. however in response to your question I believe you can do exactly as you describe but make sure you have the K frame in to keep the frame rails in position. It isn't that the lower radiator support offers that much support, its that when you remove the K frame that one piece of sheet metal is keeping everything in line (it really shouldn't move, but you never know). I would keep that top lip (weld it to the new piece).
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2015 - 08:29:59 PM »
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2015 - 08:44:34 PM »
Great, I didn't even see that on their site. Thats what I'm gonna do, have to wait for the new radiator though. Thanks guys!
/ Ken
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2015 - 09:16:31 PM »
Your US Car tool part seems to need some finessing to get it to line up on the other side. I did some grinding here and there and ended up with a decent fit. Mine started out looking like yours though.
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015 - 05:35:16 AM »
Yep, it dosen't go up right around the lip, I will fix that, hopfully I can make it look nice, I'm a newbie when it comes to metal work, some of the flat area in front of the battery is very bumpy also, have to figure out how to fix that. (if possible).
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015 - 08:39:30 AM »
I removed my original one when I installed mine however I thought it was still flimsy so I boxed in the lower portion below the holes with 1/8 steel which really stiffened it up. 

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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2015 - 11:17:45 AM »
I removed my original one when I installed mine however I thought it was still flimsy so I boxed in the lower portion below the holes with 1/8 steel which really stiffened it up.


Interesting, do you have any pictures of that?
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2015 - 04:37:10 PM »
Forgive me in advance for my newbie question but I’m just starting to learn to weld and plan to tackle the support when I’m comfortable...

When you are welding this in, are you welding all contact points to the existing structure (running a bead across the entire width) or only on the support ends?
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015 - 05:00:44 PM »
Forgive me in advance for my newbie question but I’m just starting to learn to weld and plan to tackle the support when I’m comfortable...

When you are welding this in, are you welding all contact points to the existing structure (running a bead across the entire width) or only on the support ends?


Good question, I was planning on welding as much as possible on contact areas, but I'm a newbie also, maybe some more experienced welder knows better? I also got the fender braces to weld in, there is a few good threads here on that with pictures.
/ Ken
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015 - 05:19:45 PM »
There are a couple of different possibilities here

1. putting the brace over your existing radiator support - in this scenario you would want to tack it in around the parameter at least. The more welds you put in the more rigid/structural it becomes. That said, you will want to spot weld it or better said weld about 1" beads at various points until you have welded completely around it (assuming that is what you want to do). In other words, put a bead on the upper right corner, then put one on the lower left, then lower right, etc. This area should not develop a lot of warpage like a quarter panel would, however it is a good practice to do plus you are a inexperienced welder and doing this method makes you start, stop, reposition, repeat which is great practice all the way around. The short welds will also help keep from blowing through the material, plus it will refine your settings and technique.

2. cutting out the old radiator support and using this one as a basis for a new one. You could certainly cut off the top and bottom (part that goes under the radiator) and weld them to this new part to make a whole new radiator support. These pieces need to be welded completely along the seam (where old meets new). Use the above technique to accomplish this; tac the ends first making sure the lined up, then the middle. Make sure the seams are aligned before you weld (this is where a clean straight cut is important). Do not be afraid to grind a little, cut a little and perhaps pound a little. Do not weld too much in any one spot or it might warp.  Also, do not be afraid to grind down your welds in between welds; meaning you weld a few beads, then dress them down with a grinder (do not grind too far or you will be basically where you started, no weld). This will help you approach this in an organized discernible approach.
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015 - 05:38:25 PM »
   Also the bumper brackets cover the top outside edge, so you want a good weld in that area but ground smooth. I drilled 4 holes on each side and plug welded. 

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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015 - 05:39:21 PM »
 :iagree:  Well put! :2thumbs:

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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2015 - 05:39:52 PM »
 :iagree:
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Re: US CarTool radiator support
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2015 - 06:05:23 PM »
Awesome info thanks  :2thumbs:

Do you have links to the fender brace threads you referenced?
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