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Offline resq302

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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2016 - 09:54:56 PM »
Dave will be utilizing factory front and rear stock barracuda glass.  The side door glass with be from a stock 4 door coronet.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2016 - 10:28:53 PM »
Here is the real pic and one with my chop. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2016 - 10:30:57 PM »
It sure looks to me that they are using the B-body windshield and the E-body rear window

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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2016 - 11:43:57 PM »
I can assure you, the windshield and rear window will both be STOCK 1970 barracuda glass.  The side windows will be STOCK 4 door Coronet glass.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2016 - 11:56:51 PM »
Pretty amazing no matter how you look at it.
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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2016 - 12:16:50 AM »
I can assure you, the windshield and rear window will both be STOCK 1970 barracuda glass.  The side windows will be STOCK 4 door Coronet glass.

So does anyone have a front 3/4 view?

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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2016 - 01:01:27 AM »
I'm still checking the thread for a frontal 3/4 view but here is the piece where they had to add a piece of metal filler panel to accommodate the smaller E body glass.



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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2016 - 09:10:21 AM »
I'm confused? If they added a piece to the roof to be able to use a stock e-body windshield..... is that not raising the roof?  :clueless:
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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2016 - 09:54:17 AM »
 :iagree: now I'm confused! :clueless:

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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2016 - 09:56:52 AM »
Its no different than a filler plug used for the SE window or the rear window plug on a Daytona.  The B body windshield was taller so in order to use an E body windshield, they had to fill in the gap.  If you go back and look at the side by side comparisons of the 2 door cuda and the 4 door cuda, you can see that the area above the windshield really isn't that much different.

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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2016 - 09:57:57 AM »
The rear glass looks out of place to me, still think the difference in the top heights between the rear and sides is odd.  I'll wait to see it with the trim and window installed

I think this mis-match between the rear and side glass height also contributes to the appearance of a raised roof. Certainly once it is out and about and parked next to a stock E body, the comparison will become more or less obvious.

I'm confused? If they added a piece to the roof to be able to use a stock e-body windshield..... is that not raising the roof?  :clueless:

No, not exactly. They used a B body roof to accommodate the window surrounds on the doors. They had to reduce the opening of the windshield to use the E body glass instead of B body glass so not raising the roof so much as reducing the opening.

While this is most likely how the factory would have done it, I think a custom approach would have tried to keep the hardtop glass with the fixed B pillar to maintain the E body glass profile.

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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2016 - 10:09:11 AM »
The quality of the work that's been put into this is nothing short of amazing.

That said, the disconnect for me, as others have mentioned, is the total change to the d-pillar profile. The angle is much more vertical (which I suspect contributes big time to the appearance of a taller roof) and its a rounded corner vs. the much sharper original.

To me, the angle/shape of the d-pillar is a HUGE part of what makes the 'Cuda's profile and it has gotten totally lost here.

Still... amazing work.
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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2016 - 11:06:13 AM »
I think this mis-match between the rear and side glass height also contributes to the appearance of a raised roof. Certainly once it is out and about and parked next to a stock E body, the comparison will become more or less obvious.

No, not exactly. They used a B body roof to accommodate the window surrounds on the doors. They had to reduce the opening of the windshield to use the E body glass instead of B body glass so not raising the roof so much as reducing the opening.

While this is most likely how the factory would have done it, I think a custom approach would have tried to keep the hardtop glass with the fixed B pillar to maintain the E body glass profile.

Ah that explains things then. I didn't realize they used the b-body taller/raised roof.
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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2016 - 11:22:55 AM »
That last picture really helps clear it up. It's amazing how new rocker panels are spliced to the area and post. The extra wheelbase is there, right below the A pillar. I wonder how they made up the extra space on the floor pans and toe board.
 I thought it was just a B body cab with E body fenders and quarters but it's a lot more complicated then that.

Really good work!!
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Re: Raised roof???????........NOT !
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2016 - 11:39:33 AM »
There never actually was an assembly line / production 4 door barracuda built !  However, it would have conveyed the same characteristics of every other other two door vs. four door that was built.  No four door built in 1970 had the same roof line characteristics as its four door counter part.  So that no 1970 two door vehicle would have shared the same roof line as its four door counter part.  All four doors used a larger window configuration to accommodate the extra passenger room.  Once again, here is the evidence of exactly what I am trying to convey. 





Dave said the wheel base of this 4 door is exactly the same as the 4 door coronet.  The over all length of the car is only 2 inches longer than a stock two door 1970 challenger.