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Offline Drew1968

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WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« on: February 14, 2016 - 11:01:23 AM »
I'll post the pictures first, then the story.

Album link: http://imgur.com/a/FJT0T#0

I'd post them individually but they're huge, and I don't want anyone's computer to burst into flames.

Slight backstory here. In 1970 My uncle bought a 440 superbird. He owned the car for 3 days until he had to return it due to not being able to afford the car payment AND the insurance. They had this car on the lot, which he could afford. A '70 340 Challenger with a rallye hood and a bumblebee stripe on the back in gorgeous Sublime.

In the mid 70's he sold it to my dad. There's a picture of me and my mom in her parents driveway circa roughly 1985-86, and the black and white picture is the car sitting in my dads parents driveway in about 1978.

Funny side story here: My dad was playing a gig about 25 minutes away in a nearby town in January of 78. When her and my dad went in, it was raining. When they came out, the Blizzard of '78 was in full swing. My dad was too drunk to drive at that point, so my mother made the drive back to my grandparents house in that '70 Challenger. It took her 4 hours to make a 25 minute drive, and when she finally got into the driveway, the car got stuck halfway up and they had to walk the rest. When they woke up in the morning the car was completely covered with drifting snow.

Anyway, until my parents got divorced in '91 I remember riding around in that car with my old man. I don't have many memories that vivid, but I remember in detail what the leather felt like when I ran my hands over it, what the rumble of that 340 sounded like, and how the vibration felt sitting in the back seat.

So when they got divorced, understandably my mother wanted to strike a blow. She made him sell the car for 2 grand and in doing so she achieved her goal. In hindsight the blow was dealt to all 3 of us, but at the time (and I can't blame her whatsoever) she was furious.

In the late 90's my dad started to look for the car again, but couldn't ever make any headway and figured it was all but lost.

In 2011 my step-mother cheated on my father and his guilt over having done that o my mother was so great that he succumbed to his demons. My mother and I found him dead on his living room floor on August 15th, 2011. Another vivid memory I'll never forget, though this time it's not for lack of trying.

On August 20th, 2013 I located the my dads car. A retired guy who restores Mopars and then just hides them away in his heated pole barn had it. He invited me up to come see it, so I went.

It was sitting in a greenhouse behind his barn with a few coronets and a 72 roadrunner he hadn't started on yet. I had just turned 30 and when I walked around that corner I wanted to cry like a baby. There she was, sitting on rollers just waiting for someone to love her again.

We had a long conversation and he offered to let me trade him for it. I am overjoyed that he was nice enough to do that for me, as most people would have just told some random guy calling them up about a car they have hidden on their property to piss off. Which is part of the reason I haven't made a cash offer to him. He has assured me on multiple occasions though that "As far as I'm concerned, this is your car. If and when I get to it, we'll figure something out".

The only problem, as you might suspect, is Mopar. I have spoken with him on the phone since then, and he's given me more options to trade him. A 68-69 Charger, a 70 'cuda, or a 70 Challenger...all of which need to be a 340 car that's a roller with no motor/trans but is a complete car.

Needless to say I have my work cut out for me just getting the car, let alone trying any sort of restoration. Like I said, it's my unicorn.

I've got a bit of money saved up now and I'm thinking about making him an offer, but since he's been so nice to me I obviously don't want to insult him, so that's why I'm here. :D

Thanks for reading!








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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2016 - 01:50:24 PM »
Great story and thanks for sharing and sorry for your loss.  340's were not an option for '68-69 Chargers, so have to look for a Challenger or Cuda to trade.  A 340 Challenger would be the cheaper option, most of the time.  Your car is pretty rough, but you have a big emotional attachment and the guy knows that so hopefully he will come up with a fair price if you offer money.  Assuming it has numbers match engine and trans I would say its worth around $10k.
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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2016 - 01:56:19 PM »
The 70 Challenger would be an A66 code car.  The price would vary depending on the cars condition.  :2thumbs:

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2016 - 02:10:19 PM »
Eh: Looks pretty rusty, I'd say $5k because it was your Dad's car.

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2016 - 03:34:29 PM »
glad to see you here. I hope you get it
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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2016 - 04:37:44 PM »
glad to see you here. I hope you get it

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2016 - 06:24:06 PM »
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)

you are in good hands here. I'm sure a few more folks will chime in to help give you an idea where to start with him. it needs to be loved again
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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2016 - 06:33:59 PM »
 Without the engine and trans I'm thinking about $5,000 as well.

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016 - 10:41:01 AM »
 :iagree:
Without the engine and trans I'm thinking about $5,000 as well.
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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2016 - 10:58:37 AM »
Without the engine and trans I'm thinking about $5,000 as well.

So I will be the one to say it.  This is a MAJOR project.  I understand the emotional attachment but I don't want to see you get buried by undertaking something you will not be able to finish or will drive you into big debt.  Do you have the skills, funds, a place, etc to take this on?  Do you have a plan or places you know that will do a good job for you?  The body alone is a major task, the comes paint, the suspension/brakes, entire drivetrain, interior, electrical, etc.  You are looking at $35-40k easy IF you do most of the work, closer to $60-70k if someone else restores this car.  Just looking out for you and being realistic.

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2016 - 12:34:21 PM »
So I will be the one to say it.  This is a MAJOR project.  I understand the emotional attachment but I don't want to see you get buried by undertaking something you will not be able to finish or will drive you into big debt.  Do you have the skills, funds, a place, etc to take this on?  Do you have a plan or places you know that will do a good job for you?  The body alone is a major task, the comes paint, the suspension/brakes, entire drivetrain, interior, electrical, etc.  You are looking at $35-40k easy IF you do most of the work, closer to $60-70k if someone else restores this car.  Just looking out for you and being realistic.

Oh I know. If I'm being 100% honest here, I don't have the skills or a place to take it on at present time. I have an absurd amount of tools so that's not an issue. This wouldn't be something that I get and start on tomorrow either. It's literally my dream car, and would be the only car I'd ever restore. That being said I've had plenty of people warn me like you have, and I definitely take it into account when considering if I should even mess with it or just buy a car that's running and driving I can fiddle with while I go.

It's honestly been a cause for a lot of flip flopping on my end. Sometimes I get a wild hair and the desire to have it nearly overwhelms me, and then a few days later I think about how I'll never be able to restore it so why even bother. Emotions man, emotions.

Why couldn't my dad have had a plane jane barracuda or a duster or something? :(

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2016 - 12:47:39 PM »
Why couldn't my dad have had a plane jane barracuda or a duster or something? :(

Cause then your dad wouldn't be cool.   :bigshades:

There is a reason we are so emotionally attached to these e-bodies.  Best of luck in your decision.


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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2016 - 01:31:26 PM »
Cause then your dad wouldn't be cool.   :bigshades:

There is a reason we are so emotionally attached to these e-bodies.  Best of luck in your decision.



Suppose you're right, doesn't get much more bad ass than a 70 Challenger  :burnout:

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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2016 - 03:59:15 PM »
I would jump on it....if...I had a place to store it, so it wouldn't deteriorate any further and then start collecting parts as monies are available. You can always work on it in the future, but if you don't buy it now, what are the chances you can find and by it again in the future.



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Re: WIW: 1970 Dodge Challenger 340 complete minus drivetrain
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2016 - 08:08:50 PM »
Thanks for sharing your story.  It's not a scale of the question you're facing with the car purchase, but I bought a t-shirt last week for a long-gone professional basketball team from Buffalo mostly because it reminded me of sitting in the nosebleed section watching a game with my dad.   The kind of memories you described don't fade quickly or easily - a good thing.

As others have already pointed out, buying the car in the shape it's in with an eye towards fixing it up represents a major commitment of time and money that should not be taken lightly.   I bought a 70 Challenger that had practically no rust. I'm 3+ years into it and just recently got to the point where I'm starting to put parts back on it instead of taking them off.   The $ estimates above are consistent with my limited experience.

Here are a few things to consider: 

Try imaging yourself looking at the car 5 years from now in the same shape it is today.  If you see yourself being happy because you were able to save this physical connection to your dad - go for it.   If you see yourself doing a forehead slap and saying "what was I thinking?" maybe it's not such a good idea to make the buy. 

The comment about having storage space is dead on - parts from my car are scattered between multiple garage bays, a closet and the basement.   Pull the Christmas tree out?   Sure thing... let me just move the axle housing and these door panels. If you have a garage or shed that you plan to use, put a car in it with a tarp over it and imagine yourself working around it for a couple of years.   Again - if it'll work for you, make the buy.   If not, maybe it's not such a good idea.

Given the posts that I've read where people are looking for a specific car they or a family member previously owned, it's an absolute gift that you have the opportunity to make a choice.    If you do decide to buy it, you won't find a better place for advice, support and a safe place to occasionally vent than right here on c-c.com. 

I wish you well on your decision.
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