Unfortunate cost of Restoration...

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Offline roadman5312

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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2016 - 06:16:15 PM »
I get the cost, but If you can swing it I see nothing wrong with spending more then the car is worth.  Sometimes its not about the cost, its about the hobby.

I have owned my 74 since 91, it was a father / son project (more father than son), I drove it in high school., I spent a great summer getting to know my dad as we toured hells half acre hitting all the local shows, and taking home a bunch of trophies.  I have been fortunate enough to keep it all these years, although a great many of them it was put away in storage.

The car is part of my life and will be for as long as I am able to drive it.

It will never be a high dollar car.  It is in need of, maybe not a full restoration, but very close to it and I would like to take the time to do it right, so it lasts the next 20 years.  If I do, I would like spend more than the car is worth, but it would be worth it, because of the sentimental value of the car.  I wonder if its the same for the demon guy?

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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2016 - 08:32:12 PM »
He meant to say "the car belongs to me wife"   :roflsmiley:
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2016 - 11:06:23 PM »
At the end of the day, regardless of how important a car is to you, with today's restoration costs it is hard to justify doing a ground up restoration on a car unless you are very wealthy.  Putting 25 grand into a car you'd be hard pressed to sell for 20 grand isn't a big deal to most people.  5 grand for the pleasure and the pride is a small price.  But if you put 100 grand into a car that is worth 50 grand, 50 grand is a lot of money to most people.  My project got out of control at some point, I tried to plan things out, worked hard to estimate costs, allowed for overages, but a shop jacked up costs and padded bills far beyond what I could ever imagined and put all my planning to waste.
At some point I realized I had at least 100 grand tied up in the project, in a car I bought when I was in high school for $2300.
$100 grand is around 2 years take home pay for me.  Certainly the car has a lot of sentimental value, but all the "it's not about the money" talk aside, I have been asking myself often if I can afford to own a car I have that much money tied up in. 
Now if I made a multi six figure salary and was a multi millionaire, I probably wouldn't give much thought to how much I had tied up in a car.
My car will be worth over 50K when done, probably 80-95, but again, it is hard for a guy in my position to have that much money tied up in a car!

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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2016 - 11:27:40 PM »
I can really appreciate Brads honesty.....  There's things NIKKI "needs" and just some things I'd like to upgrade. What's another 5 what's another 10, K that is. I haven't done anything to her the last 2 years. House needed a furnace, this and that. I cant even stomach looking at my GTX, needs everything! Could I .....  :grinyes: maybe its just my age (61 now) things seem to be getting harder to justify. Just sold the BIG GIRL last week (my Pontiac) he11 she was in storage since fall of 2014. Maybe I'm just burning out.... just haven't been motivated the last 2 summers, add 2 deaths in the family and 2 friends in the last month.    :dunno:
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2016 - 12:28:20 AM »
Everything has an expiration date I guess. The guy I grew up with building cars burned out on them recently which I can fully understand. I had a very long break due to the Army, so I am making up for it. That said, every year that passes is that much harder to get motivated. I really want to get the Cuda done and I still have  a 70 Roadrunner in the wings that needs everything. Not sure if I will ever get to it, but we will see. I know I will not take on another 10 year project like the Cuda. It has been fun but the fun is quickly fading and not I just want it done. I will be in it for over $60K when done and as a 73 will never be worth that, but I have had a blast doing it.
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2016 - 04:32:46 PM »
I have sort of assumed that all of us who work on our own car are upside down on it.  We tell ourselves that we are saving money by doing the labor.  It seems as though the sum of the parts are greater than the whole.  I learned an incredible amount building my car.  I chalk up the loss ratio to education at this point.  As rewarding as it is to say you built a car, finances are still a burden.  I will probably always tinker with my cars, but I probably won't ever do a complete rebuild again.  It is MUCH more financially responsible to buy a car close to what you want, and then do a few tweaks to make it your own, at a much better price.  Guys ask me about buying vs restoring.  I always steer them towards saving as much as possible, and buying the car you want.  Spend the money in once chunk, turn the key, and drive.  Still cheaper, and you don't have to bust your knuckles, stress out over the hassles, and it won't take as long to get a driver.  Although Im sure some of you can prove me wrong, I don't think it is the norm for most of us hobbiest.   
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2016 - 11:55:45 PM »
I think most of are saying the same thing, it is the journey and while the $$ count, each of us have to do what is right for us and our families. None of my car money comes out of family money which is probably why it has take so long, but I thoroughly enjoy the hobby which is why I keep doing it. I get frustrated and lose motivation at times, but always come back. For me is it about the creativity and making something myself. Learning is a key component of that as it acquiring new tools, methods, etc.
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2016 - 12:17:03 AM »
you guys are talking my language,  Hmmm …   Yeah, I don't care what it costs…  Not really.  Then again I don't care much for money in general.  I'm a regular joe.  This is a passion. An obsession for some.  a hobby!!!  They used to call it "hot-rodding"     I bought the wrong car. But she needed me bad.   Learned a lot over the last 10 years.   Nothing scares me much anymore after it all...  And that's just the tip of the iceberg around here!  Some of the cars here are just plain stupid. Like man-legos for what must be the wealthy.   Sure the aftermarket scene is a playground right now! Anything I want right to my door.   My car is a part of me. I will live forever in it. In a way.  It's an expression of me in every way. Every nut, every damn bolt. Wire, switch, screw.       Few understand the true magnitude of the commitment it takes to see it to the end.   Eh, I'm tired. My hands hurt.  Every spare second is at the shop….  Just want my car back.

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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2016 - 10:25:48 PM »
Hi, my name is Mike and I am addicted to being a car guy.
Been told i need help with my obsession so here i am.
That is my story....
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2016 - 12:28:40 AM »
Hi, my name is Mike and I am addicted to being a car guy.
Been told i need help with my obsession so here i am.
That is my story....

 :roflsmiley: what he said, exactly to include the name...
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2016 - 10:28:03 AM »
I just watched an episode of Fantom Works where this couple spent about 40 grand to restore a '65 Barracuda that probably will never be worth more the 25 and they were happy to do it. I've learned there a two kinds of people in this hobby. The ones who try to make money off it and the ones who do it just for the joy it gives them. For me I don't look at it any different than all the money I've spent over the years bowling, playing softball or playing golf. I've spent money to enjoy myself without ever giving it a thought about getting any of the money back.

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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2016 - 10:34:36 AM »
There's plenty of reasons to restore a car.....

I started this thread because I think the "COST" of the restoration has got so crazy that even an old guy wanting to restored his car from his youth, now has to consider it a major investment. $50K plus is an average to completely restore any type of Mopar these days :screwy:

Myself I couldn't dream of owning a $50K car sitting in the garage 6 months of the year when my family is swimming in debt...I have to sell it or I drown....
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2016 - 11:08:14 AM »
71 sassy grass Demon with a 4 speed - I would kill for that! Lol! It's hard to justify the money but like all of you here, we are car guys and that's what makes us happy. Does it make the wife happy....that's the real issue. My buddy has a wife that races with him - stages him and keeps track of his times etc - matter of fact he is in Vegas racing his swinger right now. They aren't rich but he has a 69 runner - 69 charger (hers) - 2007 Charger SRT and hs 71 Swinger race car. If my wife was into cars like his is, I would have WAY more cars TOO!!!

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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2016 - 01:13:15 PM »
it is all relative and about priorities. If you are swimming in debt, then restoring or having a 50K car probably isn't overly smart (not saying you shouldn't have it but...) I personally have a number of cars that are valued north of 30K that don't get driven much at all plus a project car that has over 40K in it and climbing, however they are all paid for and I am not swimming in debt at all. If you can afford it and it makes you happy you should have it. If on the other hand you are trying to determine whether to pay the rent or buy a new car part, well your priorities might be a bit skewed but it is your life to live.

As to the original intent/point of this thread; if the customer is financially secure and wants to revisit his youth then so be it. Cannot take it with you and if it were me and my option was spending the money and being able to enjoy it before the end or leave it to my kids; Id be tearing up the streets in that Demon... just saying. I would give a crap if it wasn't worth what it cost to build or not, that will be someone else's problem down the line after I am gone and who is to say in 20 or 30 years it wont be worth more than the restoration or at least the restoration less the fun factor and family legacy aspect. Again, if he has the $$, let's get it on and make that car great again.
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Re: Unfortunate cost of Restoration...
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2016 - 01:55:38 PM »
Try owning a boat.

You use it hardly at all and goes down in value every year, every hour you put into it, and you spend countless dollars and hours on it.


$50k is hard to put on any car project while you still have debt, like a mortgage, college tuition, etc.


That's why many folks who can afford these restos are retired who no longer has a mortgage and their house is all done as far as major projects are concerned.
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