NAG1 Starter position

[soundcontrol]

I finally got started on my Hemi/NAG1 setup, took the tranny off, I have a set of TTI headers thats made for the NAG1/727. I suspected they will fit fine on the driver side but not on the passenger side with the starter, and that was correct. Now, just thinking out loud here, how hard would it be to switch the starter to the driver side? To make an alu flange with the boltholes, cut out the necessary material and weld it in. There is lots of space there for the starter. My original idea was to cut the TTI's on the passenger side and route the pipes differently. Its a difficult job, and I have to send them in to redo the ceramic coating after, maybe moving the starter is easier, if possible. I Googled and tranny cases can be welded. Any thoughts?

[Katfish]

No experience, but I'd think it would be easier to fix the headers.
Why not contact TTI, I bet they may already have something.

[gkring]

TTI makes both passenger and drivers side starter headers for the swap. I also hear the NAGS tran is a pain to make worth. Very big and requires more electronics than normal to work. a few guys are using them, but it is a lot of work to gain a tiptronic type trans. I just ran into this with a customer trying to put one in his 70 cuda. had to cut most of the tunnel out and then you also have to deal with the fact there is not a slipjoint made for that trans. You have to end up with a two piece driveshaft with a carrier bearing for a truck that has the slipjoint in the middle. Enough work that he changed his mind and went with a 545RFE instead.

My recommendation is either switch transmissions or sell the headers and buy the correct set.

Greg

[roadrunninMark]

It looks like it only hits the starter some.  What if you make a spacer to extend the header out some, just enough to clear the starter?  Plus leave some space for a heat shield.

[soundcontrol]

TTI makes both passenger and drivers side starter headers for the swap. I also hear the NAGS tran is a pain to make worth. Very big and requires more electronics than normal to work. a few guys are using them, but it is a lot of work to gain a tiptronic type trans. I just ran into this with a customer trying to put one in his 70 cuda. had to cut most of the tunnel out and then you also have to deal with the fact there is not a slipjoint made for that trans. You have to end up with a two piece driveshaft with a carrier bearing for a truck that has the slipjoint in the middle. Enough work that he changed his mind and went with a 545RFE instead.

My recommendation is either switch transmissions or sell the headers and buy the correct set.

Greg

The TTI set for NAG1 is only with AlterK and such suspension. Don't work with stock K-frame and T-bars. I did plenty of research before I decided on the NAG1 and I'm not afraid of the mods. I already got all the electronics taken car of, no need to cut the transtunnel a lot, just the crossmember need to be slimmed down around the hump, and IF you wanna keep the oil filler tube, a small mod to the passenger side. The drive shaft is no big deal, gonna cost me 500.

[soundcontrol]

It looks like it only hits the starter some.  What if you make a spacer to extend the header out some, just enough to clear the starter?  Plus leave some space for a heat shield.

Thats what I thought also when trying the headers with the starter in place, but the little angle at the head make a big difference, look at Pict 2, (with the starter removed) there you can see that all 4 tubes are in the way of the starter. A header that fits has the tubes almost straight.
Here is a link to a guy on FEBO thats doing the exact same thing with a Cuda. He made his own headers.


http://www.forebodiesonly.com/forum/threads/mas-cuda-a-long-time-coming.7651/

[soundcontrol]

I just found out from another forum that the Hemi Jeep with NAG1 has the starter on the driver side, and the front end (I call it bellhousing but its more than that) is interchangeable. This would be an option, if its not to much PITA to change, and if I can find one.

[soundcontrol]

I just confirmed this with a shop that specializes in the NAG1, so now I'm on the hunt for a NAG1 Jeep bellhousing, nothing on e-bay. If anyone has any leads to junkyards etc that might have NAG1 parts, let me know. Here, in Sweden, there is nothing.

[soundcontrol]

Found a Jeep bellhousing in New York! For a Jeep Hemi V8, with the starter on the driver side, now I have to get a Jeep starter and I'm not sure if the flexplate with the teeth for the starter is the same, but for 122 bucks for the bellhousing, (including shipping to Sweden), I'll take the chance.

According to the shop in Denmark who specializes in the NAG1 (makes a stand alone controller also) the bellhousing should fit fine and its easy to switch them. Only thing I need is a new gasket.
Link to his webpage: https://ofgear.dk/index.html   
Very nice and knowledgeable guy.


If this works out it will solve a big problem.

[roadrunninMark]

That is a good find.  Will you be using that controller?  What other sensors are needed to make it work?

[soundcontrol]

That is a good find.  Will you be using that controller?  What other sensors are needed to make it work?

No, I'm gonna use the stock boxes, I got the whole package (engine/tranny/all boxes/shifter) from a Charger SRT -06, I had Chris at Hotwire do the harness and programming for me. One extra sensor I need to install (to repace the wheel speed sensors in the Charger) is speed sensors where the driveshaft meets the tranny, its a kit with a tone wheel and 2 sensors, easy to install. The stock modules needed are TCM (Transmission Control Module), FCM (Front Control Module), ABS module and the PCM. The NAG1 shifter is also needed, but I am trying to make a stock shifter with the NAG1 electronics. Hopefully I can make that happen. But its good to know there is a stand alone controller for the NAG1 now, that one has total control over the tranny, a friend of mine is gonna use that in a Charger.

[roadrunninMark]

I found this link on Facebook, don't know if you have seen it or not.  Shows you how to change the bellhousing.  https://ofgear.dk/generalinfo/bellhousing.html

[soundcontrol]

I found this link on Facebook, don't know if you have seen it or not.  Shows you how to change the bellhousing.  https://ofgear.dk/generalinfo/bellhousing.html

Yeah, thats the guy who makes the stand alone controller box. I talked to him by mail and got some good advise, great guy. Thanks anyways!


I ordered a Jeep starter now, that the last thing that needs to fit, hopefully it will work with the flexplate I have, can't find info on that, but I doubt there is different flexplates on a 6.1 with a NAG1.

[soundcontrol]

So, I can confirm that a Jeep bellhousing, jeep starter, stock 6.1 flexplate and TTI headers for 727/T-Bars works fine with a NAG1. I even tested the starter with a battery. That problem solved! On to the next.

[Katfish]

Well done, I'm sure you're not happy about the extra expense, but it looks the best solution.