EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger

Author Topic: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger  (Read 21403 times)

Offline 70chall440

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6484
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2016 - 12:24:47 PM »
A few observations.

1. what you are seeing is not that uncommon; looks like a lot of surface rust which I am sure was of little concern to whoever built the car as it was a "flip". Again, not uncommon at all.

2. the glue on dash pad is actually a dash cap and when installed correctly look ok and are easily detected as they are hard plastic verses the original padded dash. You should have seen this when you first looked at the car; however it probably didn't stand out. Given that the cap costs like $100 and a new pad costs $800+, you can see why someone would have chosen the cap. Again, if correctly installed they can look very nice.

3. Is that spoiler on backwards...

this is one of those "be careful what you wish for". If you want it really nice, you are on the right path, but you could probably not completely deconstruct the car and make it nice and drivable, however it is your car, do what you will.

Believe me, I have 3 or 4 cars in various states of build and none of them are driving (my Challenger was until I decided to EFI it); so long as you have the time, money and expertise; make it how you want it. All in all, I would say that car isn't too bad and I would fix some of the larger issues (like heater control valve, Vintage air) and enjoy the car. Think of it like this;

1. make it safe (brakes, steering, suspension)
2. make it functional - basic (engine, trans, electrical)
3. make it functional - comfort (heater/AC, stereo, seats)
4. make it pretty - paint, stripes, spoilers, etc.

Good luck and have fun
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)




Offline soundcontrol

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1603
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2016 - 03:55:04 PM »
If it was me, I would take it apart, blast it and fix all the rust, so glad I did that to mine, I can't stand having a nice looking car and knowing there is rust anywhere. But its a lot of work, and maybe I have OCD :)  Here is some pictures of when I took mine apart, hope you can see what you are looking for, I assume with "hoses" you mean the ducts and channels for the air under the dash? (And not the hoses in the engine bay?). I got my Vinatge air kit, but I have not opened it and looked at all the components yet. If you need to know, I can open the VA packages and take pictures of the parts. Good luck with your project!
/ Ken
Restoration thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=102525.0
topic=108917.new#new

Offline soundcontrol

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1603
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:05:29 PM »
Looking at the Vinage Air install instructions, it looks like it comes with the under-dash ducts and airhoses though...
http://www.vintageair.com/Instructions2013/907075-EDZ.pdf
/ Ken
Restoration thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=102525.0
topic=108917.new#new

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:06:05 PM »
Unfortunately there are a lot of people who will put perfume on a pig & pedal it to unsuspecting victim... Sorry you got stung... Bet it doesn't happen again..  I can tell you your trans is a 727...   All big block torque flights are 727's but if you were looking at a small block 727 that bulge in the passenger side of the pan is the dead giveaway....

I would say I got semi-stung or I'm just looking at world through pink glasses.  ;)

My problem is that I wanted a 70-71 Challenger and those cars are impossible to find down here in Croatia. So, I was looking at what's available in the EU. Considering the prices in the ads, I paid a LOT less than I would have if I got a fully restored one. If I went for a Roadrunner or '72/73 Charger (or a Mustang) I would have paid a lot less...

The fender tag states that the tranny was originally A904 so it was probably replaced together with the engine.
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:12:04 PM »
This is a small thing given the other work ahead of you, but in the picture of the engine bay it looks like your heater core is directly connected to the water pump.    There's supposed to be a control valve mounted on top of the passenger side fender well.    A picture of one is shown below.   Unless you want the heat on all of the time it will need corrected eventually. The tab in the center is tied to the temperature selection lever on the dashboard by a metal cable.

Between the fuel line replacement and the rustproofing work you described, I'm assuming you have or will be dropping the fuel tank.  After it's pumped empty, give a shake and see if it rattles.  I had a bunch of rust scale on the inside of mine that would've plugged any filter downstream, so I ended up getting a new fuel tank.

The discovery work will go on for a while as you get into the car further, leading to more things you didn't know you would need to spend $ or time addressing.   Hang in there.   There are very experienced people here willing to share their knowledge that us first-timers will continue to rely on through our projects.

Good luck!

Thanks for the info and the thumbs up!!

This is EXACTLY why this forum is a gold mine! Over here muscle cars are extremely rare and finding somebody who did any kind of work on an E-body is impossible. So, all the work is done by a friend of mine who is a mechanic, very experienced and I trust him completely. He did a lot of restomodding on Alfa Romeos - putting contemporary V6 engines into old Alfas, making custom suspension components, setting them up for rally races etc. Now he has an idea how to set up Brembo disc brakes on my Challenger so I'll post pictures, of course, when we get to that.

The engine is now out of the car so I'll ask a lot more questions when we come to putting it back in. I can post photos I took before it was taken out, maybe there is something else that is missing?
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:31:01 PM »
A few observations.

1. what you are seeing is not that uncommon; looks like a lot of surface rust which I am sure was of little concern to whoever built the car as it was a "flip". Again, not uncommon at all.

Yeah, I know. It is surface rust, the roof had it the same on the inside and it is already sorted out. Floor pans were rotten so these are going to be replaced (I already have AMD parts here) and the rest we'll see as we go along.

Quote
2. the glue on dash pad is actually a dash cap and when installed correctly look ok and are easily detected as they are hard plastic verses the original padded dash. You should have seen this when you first looked at the car; however it probably didn't stand out. Given that the cap costs like $100 and a new pad costs $800+, you can see why someone would have chosen the cap. Again, if correctly installed they can look very nice.

It looks nice so I have no problem having it as it is. If the pad was in a bad shape w/out the cap I would probably wrap it with leather.

Quote
3. Is that spoiler on backwards...

Hahaha it probably is! I didn't even notice because I never saw one IRL before I got this car. It is brand new, the old one was probably in a bad shape so they replaced it. The screws on the inside of the trunk are too long so it looks it was a rushed job. I'll definitely turn it around.

Quote
this is one of those "be careful what you wish for". If you want it really nice, you are on the right path, but you could probably not completely deconstruct the car and make it nice and drivable, however it is your car, do what you will.

Sorry I don't understand what you're saying: what do you mean not being able to deconstruct it and make it nice and driveable? I am from Central Europe so sometimes my English is not up to par.

Quote
Believe me, I have 3 or 4 cars in various states of build and none of them are driving (my Challenger was until I decided to EFI it); so long as you have the time, money and expertise; make it how you want it. All in all, I would say that car isn't too bad and I would fix some of the larger issues (like heater control valve, Vintage air) and enjoy the car.

Well, I don't have expertise and I have no-one to ask except the guys on this forum.  :biggrin: Money will always be an issue so I'll take it step by step. The goal was to make it drivable asap (maybe for next summer) and then start doing upgrades afterwards. Time: never enough of it, especially considering that the car is in my mechanic's garage 150 km away from where I live.

Quote
Think of it like this;

1. make it safe (brakes, steering, suspension)
2. make it functional - basic (engine, trans, electrical)
3. make it functional - comfort (heater/AC, stereo, seats)
4. make it pretty - paint, stripes, spoilers, etc.

Good luck and have fun

Yeah, the steps will be more or less as you wrote down. It will probably be something like this:
1. fix the rust
2. sort out the AC/ventilation ducts, probably install Vintage Air kit
3. electrical (all new cables, alternator)
4. interior
5. put everything together and check that there is no risk in driving it
6. have it insured and registered (I still don't have Croatian license plates)
7. drive it for a season or two and then start upgrading (disc brakes, suspension, engine etc)
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:32:44 PM »
If it was me, I would take it apart, blast it and fix all the rust, so glad I did that to mine, I can't stand having a nice looking car and knowing there is rust anywhere. But its a lot of work, and maybe I have OCD :)  Here is some pictures of when I took mine apart, hope you can see what you are looking for, I assume with "hoses" you mean the ducts and channels for the air under the dash? (And not the hoses in the engine bay?). I got my Vinatge air kit, but I have not opened it and looked at all the components yet. If you need to know, I can open the VA packages and take pictures of the parts. Good luck with your project!
Yes, I mean ducts. I lack English technical terms sometimes.

I'll do the same as you: I can't stand doing things halfway. It's either done or it isn't, there is no middle ground!  :thumbsup:
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline soundcontrol

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1603
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:39:01 PM »
Yes, I mean ducts. I lack English technical terms sometimes.



Same here! But my wife is american and she's a walking dictionary. :grinno:
/ Ken
Restoration thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=102525.0
topic=108917.new#new

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:43:17 PM »

Same here! But my wife is american and she's a walking dictionary. :grinno:
I see you're Swedish? Where do you get the parts? I bought stuff from moparshop.de and some items were brought by American friends when they were coming over here for holiday.

If I get anything delivered to Croatia from the USA I have to pay 10% customs fee and then 25% VAT on top of that.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline soundcontrol

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1603
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2016 - 04:52:42 PM »
I see you're Swedish? Where do you get the parts? I bought stuff from moparshop.de and some items were brought by American friends when they were coming over here for holiday.

If I get anything delivered to Croatia from the USA I have to pay 10% customs fee and then 25% VAT on top of that.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


I get my parts from the US, and same here, customs fees AND 25% sales tax, it sucks! I ship parts I don't need right away in containers, (cheap freight) and the stuff I need quick with UPS or USPS. We do have a lot of used parts here in Sweden though, since we have so many e-bodies here. I think I gave you some websites before on that, or maybe it was someone else  :clueless:

/ Ken
Restoration thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=102525.0
topic=108917.new#new

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2016 - 02:13:32 AM »
It was someone else, please send the links.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline soundcontrol

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1603
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2016 - 06:39:44 AM »
OK, here they are, click on the text on the left that says "Till Salu" (for sale in swedsih).
http://www.moparsweden.com


And this is a Mopar Facebook group with stuff for sale:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/186157318191243/


Here is a general type Craigslist site that has Mopar parts every now and then, but this one has other stuff also.
https://www.blocket.se


And this one: (CLick on "säljes" on top)
http://www.nitroz.se/annons.asp?adid=99819
/ Ken
Restoration thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=102525.0
topic=108917.new#new

Offline Archialfa

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2016 - 07:23:28 AM »
Great, thanks!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
1970 Challenger 440 Magnum

Build thread: http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=113902

Offline 70chall440

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6484
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2016 - 01:09:37 PM »
Sorry I don't understand what you're saying: what do you mean not being able to deconstruct it and make it nice and driveable? I am from Central Europe so sometimes my English is not up to par.


What I meant is that you probably do not have to completely take it apart to make it nice.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

Offline roadman5312

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 5688
Re: EuroRestoMod '70 Challenger
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2016 - 01:18:04 PM »
A few observations.

1. what you are seeing is not that uncommon; looks like a lot of surface rust which I am sure was of little concern to whoever built the car as it was a "flip". Again, not uncommon at all.

2. the glue on dash pad is actually a dash cap and when installed correctly look ok and are easily detected as they are hard plastic verses the original padded dash. You should have seen this when you first looked at the car; however it probably didn't stand out. Given that the cap costs like $100 and a new pad costs $800+, you can see why someone would have chosen the cap. Again, if correctly installed they can look very nice.

3. Is that spoiler on backwards...

this is one of those "be careful what you wish for". If you want it really nice, you are on the right path, but you could probably not completely deconstruct the car and make it nice and drivable, however it is your car, do what you will.

Believe me, I have 3 or 4 cars in various states of build and none of them are driving (my Challenger was until I decided to EFI it); so long as you have the time, money and expertise; make it how you want it. All in all, I would say that car isn't too bad and I would fix some of the larger issues (like heater control valve, Vintage air) and enjoy the car. Think of it like this;

1. make it safe (brakes, steering, suspension)
2. make it functional - basic (engine, trans, electrical)
3. make it functional - comfort (heater/AC, stereo, seats)
4. make it pretty - paint, stripes, spoilers, etc.

Good luck and have fun

                                        I THINK THE SPOILER IS CORRECTLY INSTALLED 
« Last Edit: October 09, 2016 - 07:09:03 PM by roadman5312 »