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Offline Claudia

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Manual vs Power Steering
« on: May 18, 2016 - 08:03:20 AM »
Looking for the pro's and con's of manual steering vs power steering for a '71 Cuda.
Wondering how the drive-ability will be in town vs on the highway.
Any input, experience or opinions are appreciated.




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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2016 - 09:04:07 AM »
Manual gives a good feel for the road at mid to higher speeds but sucks at parking and low speeds.  I personally like power steering that has been modified by Steer & Gear or Firm Feel for tighter steering, this seems to be the best of both worlds!

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016 - 09:24:57 AM »
I really just plan to just have fun with the car. No pro tours. Mostly local drives to car shows or an hour or two away at best. Maybe drive it to work on nice days (interstate). I have never had a manual steering car before and I certainly understand that it will not be as easy to steer as a new car but I don't want to have to fight with it either. It currently has a manual steering set-up on it and I would like to keep it that way if it is feasible.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2016 - 09:42:25 AM »
I don't want to have to fight with it either. It currently has a manual steering set-up on it and I would like to keep it that way if it is feasible.

If you've never had manual and don't want to fight it parking at a local show, I would suggest power steering.  Since it is set up as manual already, you might want to try it for a while and see how you like it or get use to it.  You can always switch it over to power later.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2016 - 09:51:53 AM »
Manual isn't so bad with 155-185 front tires and can be easy to turn even when parking. Step up to a 215, 235 or 255 front tire and the whole disposition changes.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2016 - 10:10:05 AM »
Manual isn't so bad with 155-185 front tires and can be easy to turn even when parking. Step up to a 215, 235 or 255 front tire and the whole disposition changes.
Also depends on your girth... I weigh in at a buck 60 and it sucked for me to park it with manual. If you are moving it will be no problem. Also as noted try it as is first. Not difficult to convert.
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Offline js29no

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2016 - 11:15:13 AM »
Try it, you might just like it. as noted you want the car rolling to turn the steering wheel.  :2thumbs:

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2016 - 11:32:39 AM »
I was going to change to manual steering in my Dart but I changed my mind.  Manual steering is fairly easy to turn in a light A-body but the "lock to lock" turns of the wheel are a lot more then power steering.  24:1 ratio on the manual box = 5.5 turns lock to lock. 16:1 ratio on the power box = 3.5 turns lock to lock.  I didn't want to feel like I was driving a tractor.  I'm going to go with a Firm Feel stage 3 box and then fine tune the feel with shims on the pump valve.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2016 - 12:41:36 PM »
Thank you all for the information.  I think I may go with a Firm Feel steering box as well.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2016 - 12:41:58 PM »
Manual steering with a big block 440 and regular size tires =  a good shoulder workout.  Steer while rolling. 

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2016 - 04:00:56 PM »
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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2016 - 05:10:08 PM »
The true joy is parallel parking the beasts in a tight spot.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2016 - 01:43:57 AM »
Overall I have always preferred manual , but parking is tough  :faint:
there is a definate improvement with the stage 3 power steering though with much better feel at speed . As with mny thing Chryslr engineered they simply over engineered things , using a truck diff / Dana 60 behind big block 4 spd was a good thing that no other company did but steering with your baby finger & not having any fatigue in your baby finger not so much
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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2016 - 09:36:20 AM »
Firm Feel boxes will significantly improve the factory over assisted power box. Adding caster will also increase steering effort some as well. Get that all dialed in and you can decide if shimming the pump output will get you right where you want.

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Re: Manual vs Power Steering
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2016 - 01:04:03 PM »
I run a 16:1 Flaming River manual steering box on my Duster. Yes, it's an A-body, but it's a '74 so it's not as light as you might think. Before I lost the shock mounted rear bumper and giant front bumper in the Demon conversion it was pretty close to the same weight as my Challenger. I also run it with 275/35/18's in the front and a decent amount of + caster. It's my daily driver and the "newest" car that I own at the moment, so it gets driven and parked quite a bit.

Yes, steering below 8 or 10mph can be a little difficult. But it's not impossible. Most parking lots aren't that bad at all, just pays to "get it right the first time" when parking and make all your turns while you're still rolling. Parallel parking isn't any fun, that's for sure, and "dry steering" while stopped will wear you out, but that's something you shouldn't do anyway. Once you hit 10mph or so it's no problem at all, and at normal driving speeds it's awesome. I'm not some giant either, I'm 5'8" and weigh about 155 and have had a couple shoulder injuries due to my line of work (firefighter), although I am in decent shape and probably a little stronger than your average 155 lb dude.

I wouldn't hesitate to put manual steering on a car that doesn't get used everyday, especially if we're talking a 24:1 or 20:1 manual box. The 16:1 manual box is probably too much for most folks if we're talking about a daily or frequent driver, especially with wider front tires. My Challenger is getting converted to a 20:1 manual box when I get the chance, my Dart will stay power just because it's a numbers matching car and it's nice to have a power/auto car in case of injuries since I only have a fleet of old cars. Last time I sprained a bicep tendon in my shoulder I couldn't shift a manual transmission, and shifting was actually more painful than steering because of the type of movement needed.

275's are big.  :grinyes: