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Offline daveh

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Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« on: June 22, 2016 - 08:18:07 PM »
Hey guys,

 Will Locitite work on stainless nuts and bolts as good as standard bolts?

 Thanks




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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016 - 09:42:19 PM »
Sure I don't see why not.  :2cents:
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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016 - 04:26:23 AM »
We (my work that is) have run into some problems with stainless in some cases with loctite, we had to change over to steel screws to prevent them coming loose, you should investigate this more
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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016 - 09:33:06 AM »
I bought a complete sway bar kit from PST and it came with standard grade 5 hardware.  I went out and bought stainless nuts, washers, lock washers with locking nuts.  The Loctite may be overkill since I'm using lock washers and lock nuts but I just wanted to be sure.

I can't understand why PST wouldn't provide something more corrosion resistant and better bolts than grade 5 when you spent that much money?   :dunno:

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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2016 - 10:23:39 AM »
95% of the hardware on our cars is Grade 5.  It's plenty strong. :dunno:  From what I've read, stainless bolts are rated differently and a lot of them are weaker then a standard Grade 5.

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It is a common misconception that stainless steel is stronger than regular steel. In fact, due to their low carbon content, many stainless steel alloys cannot be hardened through heat treatment. Therefore, when compared to regular steel, the stainless alloys used in bolts are slightly stronger than an un-hardened (grade 2) steel but significantly weaker than hardened steel fasteners.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2016 - 10:27:18 AM by burdar »

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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016 - 11:32:28 AM »
95% of the hardware on our cars is Grade 5.  It's plenty strong. :dunno:  From what I've read, stainless bolts are rated differently and a lot of them are weaker then a standard Grade 5
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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016 - 08:31:45 PM »
 When using stainless steel nuts and bolts, we used anti-seize on the threads so the nuts wouldn't gall. Added lock washers or nylocks for vibration if we need too. Most Stainless steel I have ever used is softer and you could get galling (cold weld) you can have problems removing if you had to.

http://www.estainlesssteel.com/gallingofstainless.html
Thread galling seems to be the most prevalent with fasteners made of stainless steel, aluminum, titaniukm, and other alloys which self-generate an oxide surface film for corrosion protection. During fastener tightening, as pressure builds between the contacting and sliding thread surfaces, protective oxides are broken, possibly wiped off, and interface metal high points shear or lock together. This cumulative clogging-shearing-locking action causes increasing adhesion. In the extreme, galling leads to seizing - the actual freezing together of the threads. If tightening is continued, the fastener can be twisted off or its threads ripped out.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2016 - 08:37:42 PM by Cudakiller70 »
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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016 - 10:36:56 PM »
Stainless into Iron will often gall & not be removable  always use anti Seize  , with non stainless this is not a problem , with stainless bolts & nuts used together you are Ok also .
 I agree with above Grade 5 is superior to stainless for strength
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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016 - 05:20:57 PM »
When using Loctite on stainless steel, Loctite recommends using their primer.  Primer is not required for carbon or alloy steel.  I agree that Grade 5 fasteners are stronger and harder than most SS bolting.  Since SS is relatively soft it is one of the contributing factors that causes it to gall.  Galling happens when a small imperfection "rolls up".  This "roll up" closes the clearance between the two surfaces (nut and bolt threads) and causes excessive friction and actually weld themselves together.  Mixing different materials is not a recommended practice and is not allowed in some industries. 
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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2016 - 04:11:20 PM »
Hi Guys,

It's not worth the safety factor to look good.  I'm going to just go with grade 8 nuts and bolts.  Thanks

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Re: Locitite And Stainless Bolts Question
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016 - 07:58:38 PM »
if it galls it will hold far better than Loctite will  :poopoke:

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