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70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« on: July 09, 2016 - 12:06:59 PM »
Hello all; I have decided to post a thread on the conversion of my 70 Challenger RT 440 to EFI six pack. I currently have a normal carb 6 pack on the car but it is time to step it up.

Some of you may recognize that I have another build thread here for my 73 Road Race Cuda which also has a EFI 6 pack on it which I have been working on for about 8 years and recently painted. So, why would I divert my attention (and more importantly my money) to this project when I have a whole other car to put together and get running you might ask... well I guess all I can say is "that is how I roll"... :bigsmile: Actually the reason why is fairly simple for me and may seem odd to others; but the short answer is so that I can and will drive it.

You see, I bought this car in 2000 after a long absence from building cars due to my service with the US Army. I returned from overseas in that year and knew it was my last stint and that I wanted to get back into cars, specifically Mopar. I had grown up with Mopars back in ND throughout the 70's and early 80's and knew I wanted back in. So, I began searching for a BB 4spd Ebody; little was I aware that these had become quite hard to find and expensive (relative to where I left off).

So after some searching I found this 70 Challenger RT 440, AT, AC, PS, PB, 6 way seat, stereo package, light package, pedal dress up, go mango, longitudinal black stripe, black vinyl top, track pack, California emissions car. Most of this was lost on me at the time as I only saw and was concerned with the car itself. At the time, I paid what I thought was crazy money ($5k) for a neglected, abused car without the original engine or trans, however I would come to learn that I got in at a good time and for what I bought it was not all that crazy.

The car as purchased at a date correct 440 and AT (most likely out of a C body) and it appeared that someone was trying to do a quick build/flip and probably intended to try and pass it off as original. Regardless, I went to work fixing all the ugly, rebuilding the engine and in about 3 years had it pretty close to done. I did all of the work myself except the machine work and rebuilding the trans.

At that point I basically stopped as a new career had taken hold and I had purchased my Cuda which I was working on along with many other projects. Last year (2015) I decided to try and get the car somewhat reliable and set about replacing the headers with new a Schumacher Tri-Y set, had Firm Feel rebuild the steering box, added fast ratio arms, cleaned up a lot of missing or incorrect hardware, repainted the engine compartment and trunk, replaced the bumpers with the correct ones, installed a H4/H1 headlight set and built a gauge console to match the factory console motif. And again, the car went back into the shop and sat.

Several weeks ago I was in that shop and looked at the car and decided to fire it up. After having to prime it and play with it, it finally flamed up, so I decided to take it for a drive (mind you, this car has less than 50 miles on it since it was built in 03). Off I went and all the reasons I love E bodies/Mopar can flooding back. I drove it about 5 or 6 miles before returning and at that moment, I decided I was going to put EFI on it.

So, this thread is dedicated to documenting this conversion. I hope some find it useful and/or interesting. If not... oh well. (yes I am still working on the Cuda as well)

Here is the car I started all this with.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2016 - 11:57:11 AM by 70chall440 »
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)




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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016 - 12:09:29 PM »
Here is the car when I first got it done (or so I thought)
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016 - 12:10:47 PM »
Here is the car now (look at the mirrors and bumpers)
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2016 - 12:19:23 PM »
Ok, so obviously I am going to use a F&B Six pack system. I have talked to Rich @ Fastman EFI (great guy, huge Mopar guy) and I am going to be using a Holley EFI controller system. I still need to source the following

Gas Tank - probably going with a Tanks unit
Fuel pump - still researching this, I don't want an in tank system I don't think
fuel filters - 2 of them; one 100 micron and the other a 10 micron
regulator - vacuum actuated
fuel pressure gauge
fuel lines - not going to reuse what I have, I built the car using 3/8 SS braided because that's what I used back "in the day" and thought it was cool. Now I want to go with 3/8 steel feed and return

By the way, here is a pic of the engine
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2016 - 12:21:10 PM »
Oh and I have to change the distributor and ignition system as well. I am keeping a running list of all of the things I have/will buy for this effort which I will post when done.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2016 - 06:25:04 PM »
I'm watching and rooting for you!  Can't wait for the details.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2016 - 06:43:00 PM »
if your not going to an in tank pump then no real need to go to a Tank tank, I would definitely go an in tank pump, quieter, pump runs cooler, last longer.
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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016 - 12:46:33 AM »
Yeah, I have been researching it and I am beginning to come around. Its the old school hot rodder in me that is resisting, but after looking at them and doing some research, I am beginning to agree.

I am waiting on Bruce to get back from China where evidentially he is doing something for his real job. As soon as he answers me, I will order the electronics, then on to the tank, pump, lines, filters, regulator, etc.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2016 - 04:37:10 PM »
Depending on the level of hp you are going for you could go for the in tank setup and have a second one external that only kicks on if the internal one starts to max out.

Just a thought.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2016 - 07:43:55 PM »
get a dual-synch dizzy so you can run sequential EFI.

Man, would be cool if someone made a plexi-glass air cleaner lid to show off those cool TBs.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2016 - 12:34:33 PM »
get a dual-synch dizzy so you can run sequential EFI.

Man, would be cool if someone made a plexi-glass air cleaner lid to show off those cool TBs.

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Exactly what I am going to use, a Holley Dual Sync. I like the stock AC, not too concerned about showing it off really, just want the benefits of EFI.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2016 - 11:43:03 AM »
Thus far I have ordered the intake (which does not come with injectors, that's an extra $300+), the main harness with ECM, injector harness, distributor, and I just ordered the tank and pump from TANKS. I went with a in tank system and since this is a stock motor went with the GPA-2 (190 L/H).

thus far I am into this for $5327 and still need hard lines, soft lines with fittings, regulator, 10 Micron filter and gauge. I think I have enough soft line to get this done and might have enough fittings.

Definitely not a inexpensive endeavor, but IMO worth it. Not sure when everything will arrive and I can begin the install, but I have the Cuda to keep me busy until then.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2016 - 07:11:26 PM »
So I am trying to decide what ignition system to run, I am thinking MSD 6A (not the AL I don't think), but wanted to throw it out here and seen if any has an opinion.

I ordered the tank, pump and straps last night from TANKS; went with an GPA2 pump that will live in the tank.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2016 - 09:10:37 AM »
The conversion I did I went with crank trigger & used the dist for spark dist only .
 This will be cool when it is done .

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Re: 70 Challenger RT - EFI 6 Pack Conversion
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2016 - 11:28:06 AM »
I didn't want to go with crank triggered, I have enough other issues to focus on at the moment. I think I am going with an MSD system for the ignition.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)