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Offline moparstyle

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Trick flow 240 heads
« on: July 10, 2016 - 03:29:21 AM »
I have a 440 stroker with a big cam, single plane manifold, Dougs headers etc and the heads are Eddy Perf right out of the box. The car runs fine but there is surely more to get and i am looking into a head upgrade. My current setup is probably like on a hot day, sucking cold beer with a straw...

I have 2 options on heads, either get new TF heads and bolt them on (safe but higher cost) or have my Eddys ported locally (much cheaper, i am not in the US).

My own practical experience with head porting is nada, what i know is theoretical. My dilemma with having them ported locally is that no one has done a US V8. There are shops with a very good record, educated machinists and a lot of happy customers. They have flow benches, CNC machines etc but they do mostly 4 and 6 cyl Japs (built for RPM).
To quote one shop owner i talked to: instead of 1 head for a 4 cyl, i come with 2 heads for a V8. Same principle, give us a target flow curve and we can do it.
There is some sense in what he is saying but that easy...? Not sure... Or is it the same thing?
I know its hard to advice and in the end its just my decision. CNC porting here is much cheaper than at your end but if the car runs worse after porting, add cost of new heads. What do you say?

Did some search here on TF heads and it appears that some members have them. But, i cannot find any post on real driving experience with these. Flow numbers we can find online but it would be interesting to have a comment after some test driving. Anyone?


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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2016 - 11:05:27 PM »
I have not seen or used the trick flow heads but I assume from the reputation they would have a very good product with more potential than the Eddy heads

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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016 - 01:07:33 AM »
Chryco, thanks! Was hoping that you would jump in.

Can i trouble you with another, i rephrase my question above.
Trying to decide on giving a shop a try with my Eddys but they have only done Jap and European engines. The guy says that with a flow chart and my target flow numbers, he can do it. Doesnt matter if it is a 4 cyl jap or a big Mopar.

The last sentence is where i am stuck. Is it really the same thing? They pull these small jap engines to a zillion RPM:s while we want torque and improved flow. Different school...
Or, maybe he is right, with a flow chart showing different lift and flow numbers, kind of copying it? 

I might be over-thinking again...
 
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016 - 11:15:23 AM »
Well yes flow is flow .... sort of !
Pulling air through a port with given valve lift measures flow so assuming you know the flow you need you are good .
Is it really that simple well no .
Increasing flow reduces velocity this will allow more fuel to drop from the air flow makes atomization worse & decreases responiveness at low rpm while gaining at higher RPM . For example a small block chev head & big block Mopar head are actually quite similar so the velocity has to be higher in the Mopar heads which is Ok until the port cannot flow enough air !
 The other factor is swirl , no one talks about this but it has a big effect it will help keep the fuel suspended / atomization & changes the entry angle into the cylinder so instead of slamming the air directly into the back of the valve you can twist it past the valve at at 60* angle this can increase cylinder filling without massive ports & maintain velocity  . This is one of the "tricks" I use all the time , which is why I can make 650 gross HP  / 400 RWHP from 512 ci & still get 18 MPG .
 Personally if it was my $$ I would get the better heads over porting the Eddys , I worked over a set of Eddys years back & gained exactly 3 RWHP over ported 452 castings , hardly worth the $2000 for the Eddy heads IMO hardly worth porting if the gain is undectable !

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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016 - 09:45:40 PM »
Chryco, you're the man, Thanks!
What you are saying makes absolute sense so i will stay out of it, can probably sell my Eddys locally and go for another set of heads.

I will have a case of beer sent over to you!!!  :bigsmile: 
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016 - 09:52:22 PM »
I have a set but still waiting for the 512 block to be machined... :dunno:
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2016 - 09:58:03 PM »
Glad to help as always .
 Save you $$ on shipping beer , 24 bottles is under $11 here water is more expensive LOL & I thought they used water in beer   :dunno:

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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2016 - 10:07:27 PM »
I have a set but still waiting for the 512 block to be machined... :dunno:

Yes, i saw a thread where you mentioned your TF heads. Once you have it running, let us know!
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016 - 12:58:11 PM »
Not sure if you have considered it or not but the TF heads  will bump your compression about a point or so over the eddy's depending on your setup.  they have smaller chambers.  I am considering the same swap as well.
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016 - 10:33:37 PM »
Yes, i saw a thread where you mentioned your TF heads. Once you have it running, let us know!

I sure will! The specs look terrific... i can't wait! :grinyes:
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016 - 10:35:36 PM »
Not sure if you have considered it or not but the TF heads  will bump your compression about a point or so over the eddy's depending on your setup.  they have smaller chambers.  I am considering the same swap as well.

thought they had two chamber sizes?
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016 - 10:39:03 PM »
thought they had two chamber sizes?

TF is 78cc (heart shaped) only as far as i know. Eddy's have different sizes chambers.
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2016 - 11:14:53 PM »
Not sure if you have considered it or not but the TF heads  will bump your compression about a point or so over the eddy's depending on your setup.  they have smaller chambers.  I am considering the same swap as well.

Yes, i am aware of that. My Eddys are 84 cc so TF:S 6 cc smaller chamber would be ok, we still have 95 oct gas available here.
My current comp is just below 10 kg (whatever that is in PSI).
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Re: Trick flow 240 heads
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2016 - 01:28:18 PM »
Yes, i am aware of that. My Eddys are 84 cc so TF:S 6 cc smaller chamber would be ok, we still have 95 oct gas available here.
My current comp is just below 10 kg (whatever that is in PSI).

10 kg = 142.23 psi, so the compression increase will be helpful also.

A good porter doing a full port job will do one port only until it is as good as they can get it then they will make the other ports the same, however, as with everything, experience on a particular product helps, and not all porters or mechanics or doctors are equally good.