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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2016 - 10:36:00 AM »
This is where the leak was coming from which lead me to biting the bullet on this resto.... common wisdom is the Dutchman panel but as you can see it's solid but does have surface rust, so I'm stumped as to where water was getting in at. Kind of thinking all I needed was a new weather strip around the trunk?!?!?!




Examining your pics on the rear window leaks. I'm still not sure which hole you are referring to. I see a 1/4" hole a couple inches below the window. That hole is where the clip goes through the metal and holds down the stainless trim for the vinyl. The other pic shows studs but if you look in the trunk, they should come out. At least this is how my 70 is. Maybe in 73 they welded a solid stud on the top for the clip to slide onto. Maybe someone who knows the 73s can provide more info. If nothing else, examine the backside. If smooth, it's a welded stud. I'm guessing the is a small nut holding the stud clip on.

If it is a stud, then obviously one of yours rusted away. I would buy a tool and remove the rear window next. It's easy and it has to come out for repairs anyway.  Next, remove all the clips next to the glass that you can (held in with Phillips screws). Then clean the whole window ledge out and inspect. You will probably find a few rust holes.

Any trim clips that don't come out can be ground out easily.
Your Dutchman panel looks good. I would not replace it. I would identify the holes, cut away rusted metal and weld in new metal. It's not that bad a job. Even if you pay someone to do it, shouldn't cost much.




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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2016 - 04:32:31 PM »
Well remember a few posts and couple weeks ago when I ran into a hack job in the trunk... body filler and expanding insulating foam with undercoating over it. Well I went and got an oscillating tool from HF to tackle it. Here is what is found so far.... The undercoating is so thin I may just take a wire wheel to it and make quick work of it. I'm assuming this will be the one hard part that everyone runs into when redoing a car. Here are some pictures I took of what I found.






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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2016 - 04:41:40 PM »
Well remember a few posts and couple weeks ago when I ran into a hack job in the trunk... body filler and expanding insulating foam with undercoating over it. Well I went and got an oscillating tool from HF to tackle it. Here is what is found so far.... The undercoating is so thin I may just take a wire wheel to it and make quick work of it. I'm assuming this will be the one hard part that everyone runs into when redoing a car. Here are some pictures I took of what I found.


I can beat that.  My '71 Challenger trunk floor had aluminum flashing covered over with undercoating.  I had paid for an inspection instead of going to see the car in person, and the report came back "solid car with minor rust in the quarter panels only."





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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2016 - 04:48:38 PM »
 :smilielol: The Challenger I just took apart last week had wide masking tape over some holes then that "trunk spatter" paint over top of that... :screwy:
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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2016 - 04:54:53 PM »
I can beat that.  My '71 Challenger trunk floor had aluminum flashing covered over with undercoating.  I had paid for an inspection instead of going to see the car in person, and the report came back "solid car with minor rust in the quarter panels only."







I hope you got your money back for that inspection, wow I'd be pissed!  :pullinghair:
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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2016 - 05:00:15 PM »
I hope you got your money back for that inspection, wow I'd be pissed!  :pullinghair:

Holy hell! You win by default just by the sheer size of the hole.

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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2016 - 05:16:59 PM »
Wish I had a picture to share but a buddy of mine bought a car freshly painted ready for reassembly. The stuff in the trunk was roofing tar put over layers of roofing paper! Good think he bought it a great price.


It makes sense that you have rust in the trunk with water leaking in there. I would still tackle the leak issue around the rear window first. Then strip the trunk and repair as needed. With your leak issue fixed, you will feel more like your making real progress.

On the trunk undercoating, I have found that a heat gun helps in the stripping process. I hear some guys have good luck with a torch but I'm not that brave.

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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2016 - 05:25:23 PM »
Wish I had a picture to share but a buddy of mine bought a car freshly painted ready for reassembly. The stuff in the trunk was roofing tar put over layers of roofing paper! Good think he bought it a great price.


It makes sense that you have rust in the trunk with water leaking in there. I would still tackle the leak issue around the rear window first. Then strip the trunk and repair as needed. With your leak issue fixed, you will feel more like your making real progress.

On the trunk undercoating, I have found that a heat gun helps in the stripping process. I hear some guys have good luck with a torch but I'm not that brave.

Me either, a dull bladed air chisel works well from videos I've seen on thick undercoating. The HF tool worked well too with the "knife blade" attachment. The trunk wasn't even on my list of corrections until I took the bumper off, thought it was solid "whoops". Once I saw what they filled it with, my curiosity got the best of me and I just had to dig in. The rear window area is def going to get hit. But for now with the holidays and cold weather I will be focusing on interior panel restoration.

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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2016 - 04:54:33 PM »
So since it's colder than Eskimo balls outside I figured I would try something with the dash. I found a video YouTube and thought "I can do that" plus didn't want to spend $1000 on a dash on a weekend cruiser/driver for one crack without giving it a try first. Here are the results so far. First I dremeled out the crack into a V shape and hit it with a DA sander then used a plastic welder and flex rod on it. Next I will sand that, use padded dash filler, sand, and spray.



« Last Edit: December 15, 2016 - 06:06:13 PM by Rdchallenger12 »

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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2016 - 11:05:26 PM »
Looks good so far. I'll be interested to see the end product.   :2thumbs:
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Restoration pictures at:  http://spanks4thememory.smugmug.com/Cars/70-Cuda/7240639_M24oi#465274575_2MBqW
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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2016 - 06:22:47 PM »
Well I just finished the dash up earlier today. Some will not like it, I do though for what I was wanting to do (save money, fill crack, and paint black) I did a mix of directions from polyvance as well as the napa article on panel refreshing and this is the end product. To me it looks like a plastic that most cars went to in the 80's. I think it turned out better then getting a hard plastic dash cap to put over it as well. Also the VIN is still there, I just had it covered with painters tape lol



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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2016 - 07:49:41 PM »
 :2thumbs:
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda.  Matching numbers 440 U Code, 4 speed pistol grip, Rallye dash, AM 8 Track, Shaker hood, 15 inch rallye wheels, Dana 60 4.10, Super Track Pak.  One of 134 - 440 "U" coupes codes built in 1970 and one of 100 - 440 Super Track Paks built in 1970.

Restoration pictures at:  http://spanks4thememory.smugmug.com/Cars/70-Cuda/7240639_M24oi#465274575_2MBqW
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"usraptr" = United States raptor - bird of prey = United States Bald Eagle.  FYI, somebody else thought of it first so I had to drop the "O" in raptor.

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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2016 - 09:07:00 PM »
It looks pretty decent to me. I didn't know it was possible to do any real repairs on these and still look okay afterward.

So one picture (top view) looks almost splotchy. I take it things were still drying when pic was taken? Or maybe it's just lighting in photo? The frontal view looks really nice.

I'm curious if you could now spray over this with another product. Like if you were trying to clean up door panels and were trying to get everything to match. S.E.M. Makes a really nice spray which I've used on door panels.




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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2016 - 01:21:26 AM »
Wow! You did a far better job with the dash than I did! That look great to me!


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Re: Well, here goes nothing.
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2016 - 03:40:09 AM »
It looks pretty decent to me. I didn't know it was possible to do any real repairs on these and still look okay afterward.

So one picture (top view) looks almost splotchy. I take it things were still drying when pic was taken? Or maybe it's just lighting in photo? The frontal view looks really nice.

I'm curious if you could now spray over this with another product. Like if you were trying to clean up door panels and were trying to get everything to match. S.E.M. Makes a really nice spray which I've used on door panels.


You are correct, it was still drying in the top picture. I actually top coated with S.E.M. while the dash was still tacky to make sure it adhered to it good.