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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2016 - 09:00:45 PM »
Damn, thats the worst hackjob I ever seen!
I thought ony pro's put those crate engines together... apparantly not.
Hope they will make it right.
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2016 - 12:45:21 AM »
I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that this is a factory crate motor. :eek4:  I wrongly assumed that a factory crate motor was built to factory standards and was pretty much a "plug and play" deal. If the factory isn't building it and a subcontractor is, I would think that there would be some kind of factory standards and quality control involved since it's wearing the factory name on it. :dunno: Obviously that isn't the case. :faint: What are they now ... building these things over in China and shipping them back here? :scared:
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2016 - 08:17:41 AM »
Hey thanks guys, not much I can do now but send the pics, block numbers and description from tim to this perftec group as the mopar performance guy told me. Like I said I could swallow a mistake or something overlooked but this thing was assembled knowing it would never last and then just sent it out the door. I am sure it was assembled by a well known vendor just waiting to see which one and to see if either them or mopar makes it right.

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2016 - 09:06:12 AM »
Bruce, this is not right be no means and Sorry for the frustrations this has caused. There were 2 builders of this engine over time Cummings and Ray Barton. other engine builders of different displacements were K.Black and G.Stanton. based on your timeline the later of the 2 would have built this. I sent the pictures to an ex platform manager of MP and he choked. I agree as this is total BS.

Have you called Mopar help line yet ? if you haven't yet. Make sure you get whom you talked to and a case number.

when you get a chance. send me the picture of the stamp pad numbers. it will have the part number and some other numbers.

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2016 - 10:13:10 AM »
Bruce, this is not right be no means and Sorry for the frustrations this has caused. There were 2 builders of this engine over time Cummings and Ray Barton. other engine builders of different displacements were K.Black and G.Stanton. based on your timeline the later of the 2 would have built this. I sent the pictures to an ex platform manager of MP and he choked. I agree as this is total BS.

Have you called Mopar help line yet ? if you haven't yet. Make sure you get whom you talked to and a case number.

when you get a chance. send me the picture of the stamp pad numbers. it will have the part number and some other numbers.

dradcliffe@mikeriehls.com

Hey Good morning Dave,

No need to be sorry Dave it has nothing to do with you guys as it seems we both got surprized by someone else's need to knowingly send something like that out their door, I have some pics of the numbers but I am waiting for Tim to confirm they are correct. Not sure if you deal with Tim on a regular basis ( you probably do) but he could obviously explain the carnage in this motor. Yes I have contacted the Mopar hotline and the gentlemen told me to send the block numbers, photos and Tim's description of his findings to perftec group? .

I will for sure send you the numbers, I am hoping once we find out who actually build this gem, mopar and the builder will make it right. Like I said I could live with a mistake or an unforeseen issue but as you can tell someone actually took time to assemble this thing with completely wrong parts, bad prep and well you seen the clearance job. I am just glad this thing did not fire as Tim said I probably wouldn't have made it out of the driveway.

Again, I very much appreciate any help you could do on your end Dave, I am sure you carry some clout in the mopar world.

Thanks,

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2016 - 10:22:10 AM »
Well the issue is Prefix ie Arrow racing wasn't the builder at that time. Would have been Barton to my understanding. The credibility of this engine was compromised and must have failed during being dyno test and should have never been shipped. But that doesn't change the fact of who built the engine. The big factor is will Mopar actually do anything or Not. Because the QC will go back on Arrow/prefix. Which is not our issue.
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2016 - 10:25:38 AM »
It's always been my understanding in this hobby that there is never any warranty on this type of high performance part :dunno: I highly doubt anybody will do anything for you :villagers:
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2016 - 10:55:46 AM »
Appears the people that built this engine do not undergo random
drug testing!
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2016 - 11:18:39 AM »
Well the issue is Prefix ie Arrow racing wasn't the builder at that time. Would have been Barton to my understanding. The credibility of this engine was compromised and must have failed during being dyno test and should have never been shipped. But that doesn't change the fact of who built the engine. The big factor is will Mopar actually do anything or Not. Because the QC will go back on Arrow/prefix. Which is not our issue.

So will the block numbers show who built this motor? And who are these PERFTEC group where I have to send the information to do you know?  also so your saying mopar wont go back on Barton if they actually built it? they only look at arrow.

sorry for the questions Dave just trying to get the info right.

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2016 - 12:45:49 PM »

Looks like Dave is trying to say that the PERFTEC group is just a QC/QA group involved to try and figure this out.

It would have to go back to Barton if the motor is sent back.
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2016 - 01:07:39 PM »
Looks like Dave is trying to say that the PERFTEC group is just a QC/QA group involved to try and figure this out.

It would have to go back to Barton if the motor is sent back.

Well I will gladly ship it back, just hope I can get it figured out.

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2016 - 03:38:22 PM »
Well I will gladly ship it back, just hope I can get it figured out.

Bruce

That I would think twice about unless they offer a refund of some sort...I certainly wouldn't want the same builder to "fix it" for you... :stomp:
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2016 - 04:42:39 PM »
WOW!
Sorry to hear of the OP's situation.

So the legendary nightmare of quality control for Mopar's Hemi crate engines continues to this day and the shell game of who is responsible is still going on.:banghead:
I thought those issues were fixed years ago. :dunno:



The only way I would build any type of specialty performance engine is dealing directly with a reputable builder that stands behind their work, even if it costs a little more. :2cents:

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2016 - 04:56:04 PM »
That I would think twice about unless they offer a refund of some sort...I certainly wouldn't want the same builder to "fix it" for you... :stomp:

Well yes for sure Alan. and NO not the same builder lol
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2016 - 04:56:14 PM »
I assumed Roseville was the seller. Sorry for them and Bruce,Dave to have to step in this pile of crap. I can see how the quality is not Rosevilles fault. What a mess for Roseville , Dave and Bruce...! :crying:  I'm surprised to hear Barton was the builder. I assumed he was a premier builder of Mopar engines?  :o
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