CRATE HEMI DISSASTER

[RzeroB]

Bruce is still posting on the site, so I suppose no news ... is nothing new ... unfortunately.

A suck deal for sure!

[cordodge]

Sorry guys been quite busy,

Ok so just came back from Roseville with a bunch parts, 8- Pistons, 8- h-beam rods, rings, cam,rod and crank bearings,set of lifters, timing chain and gasket set. Probably around $2000/2200 us around $3000cad. I know some guys think Roseville should have came good for the motor BUT there is multiple scenarios at play here.1- the motor will be 6 years old this June. 2- I knew there was only a 90day warrenty. 3- I purchased it when Chrysler was Chrysler now its FCA. I am positive if I had freaked out they would have just cut off any negotiations so with the help from Dave we managed to get more flies with sugar than vinegar. I believe the sole blame is Mopar and its inability to QC/ or monitor the builders that build there motors, It's still going to cost me quite a bit of money but this at least takes a bit of the sting out of it. Had the motor fired up it would have granaded in short order and I could have lost everything, they say things happen for a reason and I think this was one of those times.

Roseville has always been awesome to deal with and I have always bought my stuff from them which I will continue to do, believe me Dave did not take this lightly and is the reason I got the parts I have today.

I did not want to wait to see what or if anything would get sorted out so Tim at FHO disassembled the motor and started from the ground up, I won't get into detail what he found and had to do here but the quality of workmanship was atrocious along with completely wrong components. The block was prepped correctly which was never done, He installed a complete correct rotating assembly, solid cam and external oil sup pan and pickup. It is now complete waiting for dyne time and tune, The parts I picked up today will off set the cost of this process. This was only possible because of Dave at Roseville.

I guess I will sum it up to a learning experience that I will not go though again and I hope everyone here will understand the position this motor/ engine builder put myself and Roseville though. But in the end I will end up with a FHO masterpiece.

Thanks for listening,

Bruce.

[AARTA340]

Glad you are happy with the outcome. As some say, Patience is a virtue!!! If anyone could have worked it out for you I had money on Dave. I did not comment, sometimes it is better left alone. One thing did come to mind, and you did hit  on it about the motor being 6 years old. It would be similar to buying a brand new car, driving it home and storing for 6 years, only to find out the car was a lemon after putting it on the road 6 years later. Hopefully this is a lesson to all of us. Buying parts that come packaged and then storing them until ready of assembly also comes to mind. Open them up and make sure you did not get 2 left sets of window whiskers instead of one of each side. goes for all other parts as well.

Again great it worked out and thanks for the update. 

[cordodge]

Glad you are happy with the outcome. As some say, Patience is a virtue!!! If anyone could have worked it out for you I had money on Dave. I did not comment, sometimes it is better left alone. One thing did come to mind, and you did hit  on it about the motor being 6 years old. It would be similar to buying a brand new car, driving it home and storing for 6 years, only to find out the car was a lemon after putting it on the road 6 years later. Hopefully this is a lesson to all of us. Buying parts that come packaged and then storing them until ready of assembly also comes to mind. Open them up and make sure you did not get 2 left sets of window whiskers instead of one of each side. goes for all other parts as well.

Again great it worked out and thanks for the update. 

Yeah sometimes you think well it's brand new from mopar so should be good, as I thought that was one thing I did not have to worry about being brand new but you never know who assembled it and obviously this guy did not care about the final destination, and yes you are right about checking things out when you buy stuff as like everyone in this racket knows it's a long process sometimes and you purchase stuff when you have the money to do so. Case in point it's been 12 years for me to get where I'm at today, could I have done it a lot quicker Yes but that's not how the world works for most, lots of other commitments and normal life that gets in the way but it will make it all worth it when it's done.

Bruce.

[1 Wild R/T]

Overall a good outcome, I'm glad Dave & Rosevoille stepped up, it's a shame they had to but I haven't held MP in high regard for a long time....

[Racer57]

I'm relatively new to the various E body suppliers (4 years) so its great to hear that Roseville stands behind what they sell to the extent that they did.

[Aussie Challenger]

Great to hear that it is mutually solved, having dealt with Dave myself and I am on the other side of the world I can attest to the fact he is an honorable man. In this case really he could have wiped his hands of this but didn't, I would lay odds it would all be coming out of his own pocket. We all need now when considering parts perhaps double check his site to support him.        

[cudabob496]

Sorry guys been quite busy,

Ok so just came back from Roseville with a bunch parts, 8- Pistons, 8- h-beam rods, rings, cam,rod and crank bearings,set of lifters, timing chain and gasket set. Probably around $2000/2200 us around $3000cad. I know some guys think Roseville should have came good for the motor BUT there is multiple scenarios at play here.1- the motor will be 6 years old this June. 2- I knew there was only a 90day warrenty. 3- I purchased it when Chrysler was Chrysler now its FCA. I am positive if I had freaked out they would have just cut off any negotiations so with the help from Dave we managed to get more flies with sugar than vinegar. I believe the sole blame is Mopar and its inability to QC/ or monitor the builders that build there motors, It's still going to cost me quite a bit of money but this at least takes a bit of the sting out of it. Had the motor fired up it would have granaded in short order and I could have lost everything, they say things happen for a reason and I think this was one of those times.

Roseville has always been awesome to deal with and I have always bought my stuff from them which I will continue to do, believe me Dave did not take this lightly and is the reason I got the parts I have today.

I did not want to wait to see what or if anything would get sorted out so Tim at FHO disassembled the motor and started from the ground up, I won't get into detail what he found and had to do here but the quality of workmanship was atrocious along with completely wrong components. The block was prepped correctly which was never done, He installed a complete correct rotating assembly, solid cam and external oil sup pan and pickup. It is now complete waiting for dyne time and tune, The parts I picked up today will off set the cost of this process. This was only possible because of Dave at Roseville.

I guess I will sum it up to a learning experience that I will not go though again and I hope everyone here will understand the position this motor/ engine builder put myself and Roseville though. But in the end I will end up with a FHO masterpiece.

Thanks for listening,

Bruce.

Who paid for the parts?

[73440]

I had thought that buying a crate motor from the dealership would be built by the factory , not farmed out.

[cordodge]

Who paid for the parts?

Dave bought the parts and Mopar reluctantly  paid Roseville back.

[cordodge]

I had thought that buying a crate motor from the dealership would be built by the factory , not farmed out.

No not at all, they send the parts to a vendor and they build it and send it from there. You have no idea who assembled it.  I believe it's the same for GM and Ford gus as well.

[shadango]

Buying parts that come packaged and then storing them until ready of assembly also comes to mind. Open them up and make sure you did not get 2 left sets of window whiskers instead of one of each side. goes for all other parts as well.

Great advice!

Also glad it has worked out and that Roseville helped in some way and didnt just blame the manufacturer.....that's the sign of an honest vendor.

[shadango]

I had thought that buying a crate motor from the dealership would be built by the factory , not farmed out.

Yeah I think the average person would assume that.....that a "factory crate motor" means the FACTORY did it....

Sad they would lie that way...and yes its a marketing lie but a lie nonetheless.

Guess I wont ever be considering a mopar crate engine.

[cordodge]

It's funny as I know of quite a few crate small blocks that were amazing motors not sure on the big block wedges but never heard anything about them.

[cordodge]

Well motor is running thanks to Tim at forhemisonly. cant say enough about the guy great service and he really cares about his engines that go out his door, Don't believe you could get the experience and quality anywhere else, they are like his babies lol. here is a short video of it running, I should have pulled it all the way out of the garage but you will get the idea.

Thanks for everyone's comments and helpful info and also Oldschools offer to help with parts ( amazing bunch of guys on here)

Bruce

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/2U2M37bD4HGQDeDw1