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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016 - 08:34:50 PM »
I think doing any work to it will not really increase the value much. Assembled and driving without paint only makes more work for the next guy having to take it apart for painting. I'm with Sheldon...don't prime anything, just sell it as is. :2cents:

Definitely worth considering then. I only wanted to do the repairs so I didn't have people pestering me about how it's practically worthless as is because they are gonna have to pay a professional so much money to make it right...etc., etc.

Doesn't hurt to try list as is first and go from there. I can always go to plan B and do repairs if I'm not satisfied with offers.

Probably was good to hear all these things. Sometimes a reality check can be a good thing. All in all, it may not be the desirable and valuable car I was thinking it was.

Gonna get the burnt orange Challenger done first then turn my attention back to this car. I'm in So. Cal. So it isn't going to deteriorate in this climate.





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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016 - 08:42:21 PM »
Everybody has an opinion.....What's yours ?
What do you feel it's worth as it sits today, and what do you feel it should sell for after you invest your time ?
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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2016 - 09:02:02 PM »
Everybody has an opinion.....What's yours ?
What do you feel it's worth as it sits today, and what do you feel it should sell for after you invest your time ?

That's a great question but if you knew me well, you'd laugh at my tendency to over analyze things. I know everyone says something is worth only what another will pay but my belief is when that something is in demand and there is a limited supply, it is really worth only what a seller is willing to let it go for.

My thought before this post was "running driving assembled but needing metal work - $15k." After work done - $20k. I based the spread wide figuring most people will pay to have work done and will want to safely budget $5k. I also figured a running flat hood car in worse shape is a $7500 car so a complete and numbers matching RT 4 speed car must be much more. See how I over analyze? Haha

I'm thinking now these figures on my RT may have been too high. I'll get it listed next year. Maybe I'll drive it to the 2018 Spring Fling and see if it draws any attention. No hurry.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2016 - 09:25:00 PM »
Just an interesting value report as a perspective:

Collector Car Market Review Value Report

1970 DODGE CHALLENGER R/T 383-335hp (8cyl-4V) AT



                          #5              #4               #3      #2             #1
2dr Hardtop   9025           24300      40100     53500     77500

Add:   
440-375hp (8cyl-4V)   15%
440-390hp (8cyl-2x4V)   40%
4spd manual trans             8%
Air conditioning           15%
Shaker hood                     7%
SE pkg                           10%
Sunroof                           15%
Deduct:   
Manual steering           -5%
Column shift                   -5%

(credit to Bullit on the website)

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2016 - 09:36:47 PM »
Just an interesting value report as a perspective:

Collector Car Market Review Value Report

1970 DODGE CHALLENGER R/T 383-335hp (8cyl-4V) AT



                          #5              #4               #3      #2             #1
2dr Hardtop   9025           24300      40100     53500     77500

Add:   
440-375hp (8cyl-4V)   15%
440-390hp (8cyl-2x4V)   40%
4spd manual trans             8%
Air conditioning           15%
Shaker hood                     7%
SE pkg                           10%
Sunroof                           15%
Deduct:   
Manual steering           -5%
Column shift                   -5%

(credit to Bullit on the website)
That is interesting. Not sure what a #5 is compared to a #4. If my car qualifies as a #5 then I'm better off restoring it and selling it for a bigger profit. It could be that my car needing metal repair makes it a 5.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2016 - 09:49:34 PM »
It's really hard to value stuff these days. I think the car is worth what you think it's worth right now. I also think that if you do the repairs that it probably will be worth the same or not much more than it is currently. Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. I'd be interested in it but I have to unload the twin turbo Stealth before buying another car. I like the fact it is original paint and pretty clean as well as the four speed and colour. Most other potential buyers probably feel the same way as I do.
Don't take this the wrong way as it is just human nature, but I would prefer to do the repairs myself as I just don't trust anyone else to do bodywork. Like I say that isn't a personal attack it is just how I feel after seeing lots of bad jobs by others. If I bought the car with the repairs done, I would probably pull the front and back glass and strip the channels to bare metal to be sure of what I had.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2016 - 10:16:56 PM »
It's really hard to value stuff these days. I think the car is worth what you think it's worth right now. I also think that if you do the repairs that it probably will be worth the same or not much more than it is currently. Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. I'd be interested in it but I have to unload the twin turbo Stealth before buying another car. I like the fact it is original paint and pretty clean as well as the four speed and colour. Most other potential buyers probably feel the same way as I do.
Don't take this the wrong way as it is just human nature, but I would prefer to do the repairs myself as I just don't trust anyone else to do bodywork. Like I say that isn't a personal attack it is just how I feel after seeing lots of bad jobs by others. If I bought the car with the repairs done, I would probably pull the front and back glass and strip the channels to bare metal to be sure of what I had.

I definitely didn't see it as an attack....what you say makes perfect sense to those of us who do a lot of our own work. I do more and more of my own work simply because I have been let down by people I paid good money to.

I was mainly trying to get a ballpark of value. I think the smart move is to get the other Challenger done first and start driving it so I can be sure I am making the right decision selling the RT. I'm in no hurry and I don't need the money. To be honest, I appreciate numbers matching stuff like this RT but sometimes it can be a burden. Afraid to deviate from original. I can see selling this car though in another year when the rust bucket is finished to someone who will really appreciate it and not make it a hemi clone, or a race car, or a pro touring machine, etc.

There was a guy selling a plain Jane 71 Barracuda a while back in lousy condition (it was a real mess of a car) and he said he'd be interested in a trade for a car like this. Once he learned about the sheet metal repairs, he got scared big time. Said he'd never take on a such a massive restoration project like that. That was a big reason for my wanting to do the repairs first. Many people view metal damage and rust like the car cannot be salvaged when of course that's simply not true.  I understand though considering the expense of professional repair.

I'll hit you up first before I list it to see where you're at with projects.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2016 - 10:26:04 PM »
I'm going to guess the date on the tag says 820 give or take a day. my Barracuda (100322) and I know of another /6 Challenger and yours are all built within a couple days of each other at the LA plant. my broadcast sheet was for another /6 Barracuda EW1 exterior/B5 interior (100677). just an interesting side note

I'm surprised Cuda Hunter hasn't asked already: do you mind posting a pic of the fender tag?

I think the earliest date I have ever seen is 8/18/69. That was a Monday. I'm not sure though what day in August was the first actual day of E body production at the LA plant. I find those little bits of trivia interesting too.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2016 - 11:43:15 AM »
Bee: Keep me in mind please. I'll be looking for a 70 R/T in earnest starting in the spring. I want to build one last 4 speed car to keep and I want a 4 barrel car that isn't FC7. I've saved nice pieces for my last build.

Thanks
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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2016 - 12:29:04 PM »

Don't take this the wrong way as it is just human nature, but I would prefer to do the repairs myself as I just don't trust anyone else to do bodywork.

Sheldon

Short story:  if I were a potential buyer for your car, the extra work you're considering wouldn't do much for me in terms of justifying a higher price.

Longer story:  I don't have near the history on car restorations that other members here have, but I definitely share a similar issue about trusting other people's work.   My first project car was a '79 Camaro.   My brother-in-law's advice was to "trust nothing" on the car, and sure enough when I pulled the power steering box I found that all 3 of the mounting bolts were rotted down to less than 1/2 their original diameter (one of them snapped off during removal).   On my Challenger, I've found a number of places where low grade bolts were used to make up one of the OEM type that apparently went missing.  Maybe they would've held up, but I don't want to find out the hard way.  Thick sludge in the oil pan, a hefty load of chunk-o-crap in the gas tank, no fluid in the tranny, rotted float for the fuel level, non-existent seats in the carb float, multiple shorts in the wiring harnesses, several dead mice under the back seat... yep, if I bought another project car I'm tearing that puppy apart before I drive it or would let anyone in my family ride along.  (By the way, I'm having a hell of a good time addressing all of the above!).


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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2016 - 05:27:19 PM »
Yeah I guess we have all had cars like that at some time or another and I certainly can relate myself. But if I went through life expecting every car I ever bought to have significant issues, then I'd never buy anything finished for fear that it wasn't done right. I'd only buy basket cases and do everything myself from the ground up.

When I sold my superbee couple years ago, it was beautiful. I had all receipts, tons of photos and I had the ability to answer all questions fully to potential buyers. Couple tire kickers got cold feet but they lost out on a spectacular car. I sold it in the end for the price everyone thought was too high. As a buyer, Sometimes you got to read the seller, examine the photos, and make a judgment call. Eventually, I found the right buyer and we were able to work it all out. Never heard back from him that there was an issue.

Restoring a car like this RT to show level is extremely expensive. So much so that everyone knows it's cheaper to buy one already finished that you trust was done right. Rust buckets scare people off. For good reason...it costs a lot to do the metal work. Can't imagine people would pay the same for a car with rusted out quarters as they would for one that had new quarters just so they could examine the rust first hand. I'd like to imagine that given the choice, they would pick the car that had new quarters, especially if they were both the same price and both available in the same area at the same time.

But I get everyone's point. I'll leave it as is and see what potentials buyers have to say before considering doing any repairs.

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2016 - 06:22:51 PM »
I may be a potential buyer but I doubt your okay with me leaving the paint/body as it is and making it a gen3/t56 swap autocrosser
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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2016 - 08:31:09 PM »
I may be a potential buyer but I doubt your okay with me leaving the paint/body as it is and making it a gen3/t56 swap autocrosser

Just the thought of that breaks my heart! you know I see RT cars which are missing their power trains, fender tags, and other goodies. Why not use one of them as a base?

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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2017 - 10:46:16 AM »
That is a really cool 70 Challenger RT
A lot of pluses; matching numbers, 4sp, nice color.
Don't you just  wish you could keep it and do it up later?
Good luck with whatever you decide?
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Re: 70 Challenger RT numbers matching four speed
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2017 - 10:17:02 PM »
There's really no reason I couldn't keep it. I have room and I'm not hurting for money. I'm having fun redoing my other 70 Challenger. Someday it will be done and I'll be looking for another project to keep me busy. Then I could have a flat hood four speed car along with an RT four speed car. Haha.