Author Topic: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working  (Read 1270 times)

Offline jforest1

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Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« on: October 02, 2017 - 10:51:28 PM »
So after not driving for a while (garage kept for a year), I sent it to a mechanic to fix a crazy-engine-dying gremlin, which I believe is now fixed.  Upon receipt, he said, "the gauges don't work".  I'm looking to sell it before year end, so I want to get them working.

After reading on these forums through a number of threads and thinking because they were all failing, it was likely the voltage limiter that was the problem.  So I bought an IVR3 Voltage Limiter from Real Time Engineering as a replacement.  Installed it and still nothing working, but they also included a sensor resister.  Using the resister, I could connect each individual gauge to ground through the sensor resister instead of to the sensor.  In this configuration, it will set the gauges to read at "full scale". 

After testing all 3, they all read full scale.  My initial thought was that it was odd that each individual sensor would be out, all within the course of one year.  I did cursory checks on the bulkhead disconnect and the 2x4 insulators/disconnects later down the engine harness and there were no obvious issues. 

Am I missing something?  Is there another single point of failure that would affect all 3 gauges or do I need to start buying sensors?
'73 Cuda 340 Slapstick, A727 Torqueflite Transmission, Edelbrock Thunder Series AVS 1806, Vintage Air Gen IV A/C system




Offline 73_Cuda_4_Me

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Re: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017 - 07:34:26 AM »
Check to make sure you have a good dash to ground connection... I had one screw on left side of dash that connects to the metal frame of dash that fell out, and I had some problems with gauges...

If you get reading when grounding individually, that tells me that the dash ground isn't completed....
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Offline jforest1

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Re: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017 - 08:08:30 PM »
Well...I was grounding the sensor resister to the back of the gauge cluster itself, so that would suggest the dash ground is fine, yeah?

JF
'73 Cuda 340 Slapstick, A727 Torqueflite Transmission, Edelbrock Thunder Series AVS 1806, Vintage Air Gen IV A/C system

Offline 73_Cuda_4_Me

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Re: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017 - 10:51:07 PM »
It would.. which gauges are you talking about, and what year?

I am figuring temp, fuel, and oil pressure?
1973 Plymouth Cuda BS23H3B567783

R11 V6X EN2
M21 M25 M31 M88 N41 N42
V1X U B41 C56 G37 J54
JY9 A6X9 0 703 501616
E55 D34 BS23 H3B 567783

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Re: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2017 - 08:47:26 AM »
You are correct.  '73 cuda rallye cluster.

JF
'73 Cuda 340 Slapstick, A727 Torqueflite Transmission, Edelbrock Thunder Series AVS 1806, Vintage Air Gen IV A/C system

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Re: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2017 - 03:30:55 PM »
According to schematics, regulated power goes to meters, then each goes out to individual sensors to ground... doesn't depend on the dash ground...

So, if you have a volt-ohm meter, measure the resistance on the wire going to each sensor to ground... should get like 10-90 ohms from sensor wire to chassis ground... If you don't have a meter, unplug sensor wire at sensor and use test light to see if you have power going out to sensor... if not, then it's wiring between gauge and sensor... if you do have power at sensor end, then sensor or grounding at sensor at fault...
1973 Plymouth Cuda BS23H3B567783

R11 V6X EN2
M21 M25 M31 M88 N41 N42
V1X U B41 C56 G37 J54
JY9 A6X9 0 703 501616
E55 D34 BS23 H3B 567783

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Re: Fuel/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp gauges not working
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017 - 08:45:55 AM »
Use a multi-meter and test the wire going into the IVR3.  WIth key on you should show 12V power on the wire going INTO the IVR device, and 5 volt coming out.   Since you tested the gauges individually and they work, and replaced the IVR my bet is that you don't have power on the wire going into the IVR3.